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I really wish the actual leaders of NATO were Poland, Czech Republic, The Baltics and The Nordics.



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It's a new record........



Nice Shave. Well said buddy.



Russian An-72 military transport aircraft explodes at airfield near Moscow – intelligence video

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/video/russian-an-72-military-transport-aircraft-explodes-at-airfield-near-moscow-intelligence-video

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Further excerpts from article mention other guerrilla or special forces activity happening recently:

"Overnight on November 9, a Russian Mi-24 attack helicopter was burned at an airbase near Moscow.
On December 13, a destructive fire in Krasnodar disabled three Russian railway locomotives. The following day, a Russian Su-30 fighter jet was destroyed in a fire at an airbase in Krasnodar Krai.
On December 15, military intelligence reported that railway tracks were blown up in Ulyanovsk, Russia, complicating logistics for the Russian army.
On December 19, DIU reported that underground fighters in Novosibirsk, Russia, set fire to fuel depots of the Russian army."



Russia’s top military counterintelligence officer resigns

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-s-top-military-counterintelligence-officer-resigns/

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He resigned right after that Nuclear/Bio/Chemical general got blown up from the bomb in the scooter. He's scared of Ukraine and what they might do to him.

Glory to Ukraine. Keep pushing.






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Ohh what a surprise, Elon Musk saying on Twitter only Germany's Nazi party AfD can save Germany and Alice Weidel, their candidate for the next election, made a "thank you" video. I'm going to think something needs to happen to Musk which I can't openly say or half of this damn planet transforms into some Nazi regimes because he somehow can do whatever he wants and succeeds with his manipulations. 



crissindahouse said:

Ohh what a surprise, Elon Musk saying on Twitter only Germany's Nazi party AfD can save Germany and Alice Weidel, their candidate for the next election, made a "thank you" video. I'm going to think something needs to happen to Musk which I can't openly say or half of this damn planet transforms into some Nazi regimes because he somehow can do whatever he wants and succeeds with his manipulations. 

Remember when idiots tried to claim President Musk was a centrist? Remember when President Musk said he wouldn't donate to any political party? Now he bought his way into the US Government backing the right wing Republican Party and is openly backing far-right parties across the world including Reform UK and AfD...Parties who will dismantle their nations, weaken them for their enemies, leave EU and NATO and enrich the already rich like President Musk, while President Musk also spreads Russian propaganda. Isn't it funny that Republicans screamed about Soros for years controlling the world for the shadows, meanwhile they have President Musk trying to do it but he isn't even hiding it, he is very openly trying to buy elections and influence and interfering with foreign countries politics as well. The Republican Party are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

I think Europe needs to do something about Twitter and TikTok alongside foreign investment now before it's too late, foreign investment should be banned entirely, while Twitter and TikTok need heavy regulation or dare I say it, they should both be banned too, this is about protecting our democracy which is under attack at this very moment, on the one hand we have TikTok which is linked to the CCP and heavily pushing Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns, which eastern Europe is actually trying to combat but western Europe seems too scared to do anything, now we have Twitter which is directly linked to the Republican Party and Elon Musk also pushing propaganda and disinformation across Twitter against European political parties that he doesn't like.

Then we have Republicans threatening us if we try to do anything about it. Gee, I wonder why they are threatening us when we've not even done anything yet. Anyone with a brain cell can see what is happening but western Europe as always is too cowardly to act to defend itself by hybrid campaigns. We're being attacked by both America and China now and we have nothing to combat it, we do not have our own "TikTok" or "Twitter" and rely entirely on trusting the disinformation pushers like CCP and Republican Party to behave themselves. It's time for Europe to actually start looking out for itself...Maybe we need our own version of "Europe First"



Far right in general are hypocrites, I remember Brits pissing their pants when Obama flew over and said UK shouldn't vote for Brexit, I remember people screaming "WHAT IS THIS AMERICAN TELLING US WHAT TO DO FOR?! FUCK AMERICA!" but Elon Musk, the American/South African born billionaire, publicly telling people to vote Reform UK/AfD and pumping tens of millions into their campaigns to buy his way into UK and Germany's influence is perfectly okay, that's not an American interfering in our sovereignty at all. Far-right "nationalists" creaming themselves at the thought of foreign interference and happily accepting it because it supports their side, ironic.

Fucking Idiots.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - 2 days ago

Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

Ohh what a surprise, Elon Musk saying on Twitter only Germany's Nazi party AfD can save Germany and Alice Weidel, their candidate for the next election, made a "thank you" video. I'm going to think something needs to happen to Musk which I can't openly say or half of this damn planet transforms into some Nazi regimes because he somehow can do whatever he wants and succeeds with his manipulations. 

Remember when idiots tried to claim President Musk was a centrist? Remember when President Musk said he wouldn't donate to any political party? Now he bought his way into the US Government backing the right wing Republican Party and is openly backing far-right parties across the world including Reform UK and AfD...Parties who will dismantle their nations, weaken them for their enemies, leave EU and NATO and enrich the already rich like President Musk, while President Musk also spreads Russian propaganda. Isn't it funny that Republicans screamed about Soros for years controlling the world for the shadows, meanwhile they have President Musk trying to do it but he isn't even hiding it, he is very openly trying to buy elections and influence and interfering with foreign countries politics as well. The Republican Party are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

I think Europe needs to do something about Twitter and TikTok alongside foreign investment now before it's too late, foreign investment should be banned entirely, while Twitter and TikTok need heavy regulation or dare I say it, they should both be banned too, this is about protecting our democracy which is under attack at this very moment, on the one hand we have TikTok which is linked to the CCP and heavily pushing Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns, which eastern Europe is actually trying to combat but western Europe seems too scared to do anything, now we have Twitter which is directly linked to the Republican Party and Elon Musk also pushing propaganda and disinformation across Twitter against European political parties that he doesn't like.

Then we have Republicans threatening us if we try to do anything about it. Gee, I wonder why they are threatening us when we've not even done anything yet. Anyone with a brain cell can see what is happening but western Europe as always is too cowardly to act to defend itself by hybrid campaigns. We're being attacked by both America and China now and we have nothing to combat it, we do not have our own "TikTok" or "Twitter" and rely entirely on trusting the disinformation pushers like CCP and Republican Party to behave themselves. It's time for Europe to actually start looking out for itself...Maybe we need our own version of "Europe First"

Musk is a centrist.

He's dead in the center between Apartheid and NSDAP.



I'm just copypasting the article because there is a paywall that stops anybody from reading. The whole echoes what Ryuu has been saying for a while, that Biden could have ended this war if he had given better support and given it sooner. The prohibition against striking Russia with missles has hurt Ukraine and prolonged the war unnecesarily.

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Too Little Too Late: US Allies Say Biden Strategy Cost Ukraine Chance of Victory

In the month Joe Biden has left in office, his administration is focused on using all the resources it has left to deliver military aid for Ukraine and more sanctions aimed at weakening Vladimir Putin’s economy.

Officials in Ukraine and several allied capitals say it’s too little too late.

Regardless of what Biden does in his final weeks, they said, Ukraine is heading toward a bitter settlement in which President Volodymyr Zelenskiy may have to leave swathes of territory in limbo in exchange for security guarantees that fall short of the NATO membership he’s pleaded for. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that outcome will largely be a consequence of decisions that Biden took, or failed to take, over the past two years.

Despite the US sending more than $90 billion in aid and arms, some allies are frustrated with Biden for stalling on key decisions to deliver more advanced weapons at crucial points in the conflict.

In the fall of 2022, Ukrainian forces had Putin on the back foot and Zelenskiy was appealing to Biden for more weapons to press home his advantage. But Biden hesitated. His thinking was shaped by the possibility that an escalation might bring Russia’s nuclear arsenal into play, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has suggested.

“His heart was undoubtedly in the right place — he understood the importance of standing with Ukraine against Russian aggression,” former UK Defense Secretary Grant Shapps said in an interview. “However, his approach was often too cautious and too hesitant, holding back on delivering the decisive support needed to tip the balance.”

Sullivan has refuted that view, saying on Dec. 7 that the US operation to arm Ukraine both before and during the war had been an “extraordinary feat.” Indeed, US support was critical for ensuring that Ukraine wasn’t overrun, especially at the start of the war, and rallying allies after the invasion.

Other US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, voiced their frustration with some European governments who they said were slow to accept that Putin would invade and then reluctant to ship weapons at all, at least until they learned of the abuses the Russians had perpetrated. Europe has often bristled at tougher sanctions and even as the US position on inviting Ukraine to join NATO appeared to soften, opposition in Berlin and elsewhere remained firm, the officials noted.

The paradox, other officials said, is that the outcome for Ukraine is now similar regardless of whether Biden or Donald Trump are in charge. Trump has called for an immediate ceasefire and his national security nominees have indicated that any deal would likely see Ukraine having to accept freezing its territory along current battle lines and give up its aspiration of joining NATO any time soon.

Behind the incipient blame game lies a deeper truth that frustrates officials on both sides of the Atlantic: for all the talk of European capitals reviving their hard power, the US is still the only NATO country that can tip the balance in a major conflict involving Russia. So the outcome of the war in Ukraine will inevitably be shaped by decisions taken in the White House.

As a Cold War veteran who joined arms control negotiations with the Soviet Union, Biden was obsessed with the danger of nuclear escalation, one of the officials said. When urged to do more US officials repeatedly said that the risks were just too great. Other allies, like Germany, had similar worries.

The fundamental problem, according to two senior European officials, was that Biden’s strategy seemed geared to preventing Ukraine from losing, without setting out a path to victory. That, the officials said, left Ukraine locked into a drawn-out conflict costing tens of thousands of lives.

But going all-in wasn’t the only option open to Biden.

Less than a year into the war, then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley offered an alternative approach which wouldn’t have incurred the same risk of Russian escalation: push Zelenskiy into talks with Putin.

“The Russian military is really hurting bad,” Milley said in November 2022. “You want to negotiate at a time when you’re at your strength, and your opponent is at weakness.”

At that point in the conflict, though, such suggestions were considered beyond the pale. The mantra from western officials, in public and private, was that only Zelenskiy and the Ukrainians would decide when to negotiate.

According to a senior European official, Biden had two strategic options: ramp up support to let Kyiv finish the job or push for peace negotiations. He chose neither.

While the US did increase weapons supplies ahead of the failed counteroffensive of 2023, two former UK officials said they had tried to convince Biden that much more was needed much more quickly, but they ran into his concerns of nuclear escalation. Those concerns were overstated, one UK official said, because at every stage the Russian threats proved illusory.

US officials argue that, on the contrary, sabotage attacks in Europe and Moscow’s increasingly intensive targeting of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure show that Putin was prepared to escalate so they had to take his nuclear threats seriously.

“The president has another responsibility that’s unique,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said at an event in Washington this week. “Where the buck stops is at that desk, and it has been his responsibility to make sure that Ukraine has everything we can possibly provide to deal with the aggression — but also to avoid a direct conflict with with Russia. We don’t need a direct conflict between nuclear-armed powers.”

Officials in Washington said that the US ultimately sent everything it could, when stocks allowed and when in their assessment capabilities made sense on the battlefield. To that effect, the ramp-up in ammunition supplies has helped to narrow a Russian advantage which had seen them firing several times more shells than the Ukrainians earlier in the conflict.

US officials also argue that no single capability is a silver bullet and that Ukraine is now impeded more by a shortage of manpower than weapons.

CIA chief William Burns said earlier this year that there was “a genuine risk of a potential use of tactical nuclear weapons” in the fall of 2022, but that the US and its allies shouldn’t be intimidated by what he called Moscow’s saber-rattling. Burns met his Russian counterpart in Turkey that November to warn him against the use of nuclear weapons.

Nevertheless, as Biden agonized over whether to send more air defenses, longer range missiles, or fighter jets to Kyiv, Putin trained his missiles on Ukraine’s cities. That weakened Kyiv’s economy and the resolve of its people, degrading the war-torn country’s ability to fight back, while Moscow was granted crucial time to prepare and adapt its defenses.

“We do believe that earlier and more would have been quite decisive,” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braze said in an interview. “But it is what it is.”