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Maybe I'll regret this but at least you can count on a lot of right-wing parties in Europe to not bend over backwards to Russia unlike the Republicans of today. It's quite a stark difference between the Conservative Party in the UK, one of Ukraine's strongest supporters, versus Trump. Italy's Meloni, is considered pretty damn right wing but still supports Ukraine. Poland's PiS is considered right-wing but were very strong supporters of Ukraine. Even outside of Europe, Japan is pretty Conservative but also supports Ukraine. ANO in Czech Republic is Centre-Right. I believe Latvia and Lithuania are Conservative too. Even fucking Erdogan supports Ukraine quite a bit and he's a piece of shit.

There's exceptions like Hungary but for the most part support for Ukraine has been a bipartisan issue, of course there's also the threat of AfD in Germany and National Rally in France as well who are pretty damn pro-Russian right wing parties but it's unlikely they achieve enough power to govern on their own and entering into a coalition without supporting Ukraine is a dealbreaker for most. I believe we seen this recently with Netherlands, Geert Wilders is pro-Russian but couldn't form a government with right-wing parties without making concessions and one of those has been on Ukraine.

But America...Yeah.

Republicans are that far fucking gone that I'm defending the Tories!!!

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 November 2024

Thinking about creating a Discord for the Ukraine/Russia war but might be better to just use the VGC Discord.



Ryuu96 said:

Thinking about creating a Discord for the Ukraine/Russia war but might be better to just use the VGC Discord.

why not just use the thread here? would Discord have any advantages?



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

Thinking about creating a Discord for the Ukraine/Russia war but might be better to just use the VGC Discord.

why not just use the thread here? would Discord have any advantages?

It's fine but I'm probably leaving, Lol.



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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

why not just use the thread here? would Discord have any advantages?

It's fine but I'm probably leaving, Lol.

dude, join Reddit...... you'll get to discuss every kind of subject that you are interested in.  



Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

The biggest joke is that Trump will say how awesome he is when Ukraine will surrender big parts of their country and no fighting will happen anymore.

And many will agree because it's not their country so that they don't seem to understand what this means

Americans of the past would be ashamed to see how USA in 2025 will handle Russia

Said it before but America's education system of WW2 must be awful. America doesn't understand Nazism in the way that Europe does, America doesn't understand the dangers of Russia in the way that Europe does. America will always look out for America first even if it means screwing over multiple other countries. Least at one stage you could count on America's hate of Russia outweighing these things, now you cannot. I'm pretty sure Americans would happily stand by and watch Europe burn at this stage, even back then they only got directly involved in WW2 because Japan attacked them. Now? They've just elected someone closer to Russia than Europe.

About time Europe realised it's on its own. If America is going to stop supporting us, then we need to stop supporting America and focus on our own needs. This was objectively one of the first *GOOD* things that America has done foreign policy wise in decades, it was such a clear cut example of Good vs Evil. It wasn't America bombing the shit out of a country based on lies, or fucking oil, it wasn't America's piss poor destabilisation of the Middle-East. It was America helping a country fight for its freedom against another country, something America's all too much bang on about, but I guess the fight for freedom is only allowed for Americans and not for other countries? Decades of piss poor foreign policy decisions by America and finally they do ONE good decision and what are they about to do? Throw it all away.

I'm sorry but this is why a lot of the world hates America. If it's not America bombing the shit out of a country, it's America helping another country bomb the shit out of a country and if it's not that, it's now America backstabbing its allies. I'm sorry Americans but right now I hate America and don't consider it to be an ally of the UK or Europe, I am done giving America the benefit of the doubt.

America's education post-WWII was to gin up anti-Communist sentiment, and that morphed into labeling anything that people didn't like as Communist or as Soviet sympathizers. Dalton Trumbo even went to prison for almost a year because Ronald Reagan (who was then the president of the Screen Actors Guild) and Hedda Hopper (the Joe Rogan of her time) had a vendetta against him and put him in the crosshairs of the House Un-American Activities Committee. Our support for Ngo Dinh Diem, Shah Reza Pahlavi, Fulgencio Batista, Agustin Pinochet, Ferdinand Marcos Sr, (his son got elected president of the Philippines two years ago)  and the House of Saud was couched in our drive to "contain" communism. Chiang Kai-Shek actually carried out a pogrom against the Chinese people using weapons supplied by the West, and ruled Taiwan as a dictatorship for decades. B.J. Vorster and P.W. Botha even tried to garner support from the United States (and the Thatcher-era U.K.) by labeling Nelson Mandela as a communist sympathizer.  The civil rights movement in the U.S. was smeared as a communist movement by Southern segregationists. Edwin Walker called the civil rights movement a communist movement when he was running for governor of Texas, and a year later he and the John Birch Society ran ads depicting a poster of JFK being wanted for treason. Kennedy was assassinated in November of that year. 

Fun fact: Senator Joseph McCarthy was a drug addict who got his opioids from rogue DEA agents. 

Even when I was going to school in the 1980s, there was still anti-left propaganda being heavily pushed into schools. Every year, we'd take a field trip to an attraction called Enterprise Square USA, which was a shrine to Reaganism hosted by a Christian university. 





crissindahouse said:

South Korea probably has to fear that USA will throw them also in front of the truck anytime soon. Because Trump will tell them as well that friendship and protection only works with money

Thing is, South Korea is producing it's military equipment themselves now, with little input from the US. In fact, what they got in terms of American equipment is either very old and mothballed (like M48 Patton Tanks and M113 APC) or produced locally under license - and even those are slowly getting replaced by local designs. They also have several designs that are getting replaced, so there certainly is some stuff they could send to Ukraine, especially Artillery and K1 tanks, but also Man-portable weapons and wheeled APC plus tons of unarmored trucks and 4x4. And several Russian equipment units which was used as a way to repay soviet debt.

As such, there's very little Trump could do to stop them from sending stuff to Ukraine. And economic sanctions that would be returned in kind would certainly hurt the US more than it would hurt Korea.



Ryuu96 said:

Maybe I'll regret this but at least you can count on a lot of right-wing parties in Europe to not bend over backwards to Russia unlike the Republicans of today. It's quite a stark difference between the Conservative Party in the UK, one of Ukraine's strongest supporters, versus Trump. Italy's Meloni, is considered pretty damn right wing but still supports Ukraine. Poland's PiS is considered right-wing but were very strong supporters of Ukraine. Even outside of Europe, Japan is pretty Conservative but also supports Ukraine. ANO in Czech Republic is Centre-Right. I believe Latvia and Lithuania are Conservative too. Even fucking Erdogan supports Ukraine quite a bit and he's a piece of shit.

There's exceptions like Hungary but for the most part support for Ukraine has been a bipartisan issue, of course there's also the threat of AfD in Germany and National Rally in France as well who are pretty damn pro-Russian right wing parties but it's unlikely they achieve enough power to govern on their own and entering into a coalition without supporting Ukraine is a dealbreaker for most. I believe we seen this recently with Netherlands, Geert Wilders is pro-Russian but couldn't form a government with right-wing parties without making concessions and one of those has been on Ukraine.

But America...Yeah.

Republicans are that far fucking gone that I'm defending the Tories!!!

Depends on the party and thr leader. Garage and Reform would back Russia. And the Tories are moving further right so their position can't be guaranteed. I still suspect Farage will attempt a reverse takeover of the Tories before the next GE.