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1530 troops. LOL!



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BFR said:

1530 troops. LOL!

wow.  I think that losses like this will be much more common next year.   



shavenferret said:
BFR said:

1530 troops. LOL!

wow.  I think that losses like this will be much more common next year.   

If Putin calls for another round of conscriptions, which he so far resisted to do (because it would signal that the war is going badly and that their overhyped "few losses" are being unsubstantiated with the real huge losses), then for sure this will happen.

Either way, this puts Russia between a rock and a hard place, as new recruits need to come from other places - like the armament industries that are already staffing problems. It also puts Putin directly in this position, as workers would need to be replaced by migrant workers (if at all possible that is), something the ultranationalists, which were some of his biggest supporters, absolutely hate.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
shavenferret said:

wow.  I think that losses like this will be much more common next year.   

If Putin calls for another round of conscriptions, which he so far resisted to do (because it would signal that the war is going badly and that their overhyped "few losses" are being unsubstantiated with the real huge losses), then for sure this will happen.

Either way, this puts Russia between a rock and a hard place, as new recruits need to come from other places - like the armament industries that are already staffing problems. It also puts Putin directly in this position, as workers would need to be replaced by migrant workers (if at all possible that is), something the ultranationalists, which were some of his biggest supporters, absolutely hate.

I agree with everything.  

He will ultimately need to start up conscriptions again because only so many new troops can be moved, or brought in from afar (such as the NK troops we have seen press about) as the losses as shown above are just too high.  Thanks for commenting, bofferbrauer.  



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Just checked the updated list from IFW-Kiel about the help every country provided to Ukraine. If I didn't miscount it than 20 of the 27 EU countries spent more as USA considering their GDP (and including their share of EU help to Ukraine) and that is even without costs for refugees and the fact that Europe suffers much more economical because USA almost didn't have any trade with Russia even before the war but Europe had. And we don't have to talk about a country like Hungary which did obviously less...

If we take costs for refugees into account than pretty much every country and probably even Hungary did more than USA. Every single EU country.

Other countries which do more considering their GDP? Canada, Norway and UK do also more.

Why is it so damn hard for at least one journalist to throw that in Trump's or JD Vance' face in front of a camera.

And a country like Denmark has 6m people and they provided military help of 6.5 billion. USA has 335m or something and provided like 60 billion.  

Sure, Europe should still do much more but I can't believe how these fucking liars never get what they deserve in front of a camera. 

Last edited by crissindahouse - on 18 October 2024

crissindahouse said:

Just checked the updated list from IFW-Kiel about the help every country provided to Ukraine. If I didn't miscount it than 20 of the 27 EU countries spent more as USA considering their GDP (and including their share of EU help to Ukraine) and that is even without costs for refugees and the fact that Europe suffers much more economical because USA almost didn't have any trade with Russia even before the war but Europe had. 

Other countries which do more considering their GDP? Canada, Norway and Japan do also more.

Why is it so damn hard for at least one journalist to throw that in Trump's or JD Vance' face in front of a camera.

And a country like Denmark has 6m people and they provided military help of 6.5 billion. USA has 335m or something and provided like 60 billion.  

Sure, Europe should still do much more but I can't believe how these fucking liars never get what they deserve in front of a camera. 

A lot of American journalists are a joke, they don't seem interested in educating the viewer or facts, they just want soundbites and drama to generate clicks, some even seem afraid to correct Trump. He will say shit like "Kamala isn't black" and journalists will rush to ask Kamala to comment on the accusation of her not being black as if it's a legit thing, might as well ask Kamala to comment on if the Earth was flat, it's fucking ridiculous.

I'm not saying I know everything, but when random people on the internet can point out Trump's bullshit but the media can't...

Nobody corrects Trump that 23 NATO countries are meeting the 2% (and more will hit it soon). Nobody mentions that the 2% isn't a hard-rule. Nobody mentions that NATO countries don't have to pay America shit like Trump implies they do. Nobody mentions that European countries spend billions buying American equipment. Nobody mentions that 20/27 European countries spend more than America in terms of a % of GDP. Nobody mentions that Poland spends more than America in terms of GDP % on their military even before the full-scale invasion and they'd be the first in line for Trump's "do whatever they want". Nobody mentions that Ukraine has been at war with Ukraine since 2014 so why didn't Trump stop the war in his first term? Instead he blackmailed Ukraine to withhold aid. Nobody points out his utterly stupid "end in 24 hours" makes zero damn sense when he couldn't even end it in 4 years on his first term.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 18 October 2024

“I think Zelensky is one of the greatest salesmen I’ve ever seen,” Mr. Trump said, repeating a statement he has made frequently. “Every time he comes in, we give him $100 billion. Who else got that kind of money in history? There’s never been. And that doesn’t mean I don’t want to help him, because I feel very badly for those people. But he should never have let that war start. That war is a loser.”

Mr. Trump has suggested before that blame for the widespread destruction caused by the Russian invasion rests with the Ukrainian president. Mr. Zelensky, he has said, should have cut a deal with Mr. Putin to avoid the invasion.

“Those cities are gone, they’re gone, and we continue to give billions of dollars to a man who refused to make a deal,” Mr. Trump said at a rally last month in Mint Hill, N.C. On the podcast, after lamenting the devastation in Ukraine, Mr. Trump pointed the finger at Mr. Biden. Speaking with the podcast’s host, Patrick Bet-David, a conservative finance entrepreneur, Mr. Trump denigrated Mr. Biden’s intelligence by claiming that with a smarter president, the war “would have been easy to settle.”

Asked about the comments, the Trump campaign declined to clarify.

In Rambling Interview, Trump Blames Zelensky, Not Putin, for Ukraine War - The New York Times



SEOUL, Oct 18 (Reuters) - North Korea has shipped 1,500 special forces troops to Russia's far east for training and acclimatizing at local military bases and will likely be deployed for combat in the war in Ukraine, South Korea's spy agency said on Friday. South Korea's National Intelligence Service (NIS) also said it had been working with Ukrainian intelligence service and had used facial recognition artificial intelligence technology to identify North Korean officers in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region supporting Russian forces firing North Korean missiles.

In more than 13,000 containers, North Korea has shipped artillery rounds, ballistic missiles and anti-tank rockets to Russia since August last year, the agency said, based on the remnants of weapons recovered from the battle front in Ukraine. In all, more than eight million artillery and rocket rounds have been shipped to Russia, it said.

"The direct military cooperation between Russia and North Korea that has been reported by foreign media has now been officially confirmed," the spy agency said in a statement. Earlier, South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol called an unscheduled security meeting with key intelligence, military and national security officials to discuss North Korean troops' involvement in Russia's war against Ukraine, Yoon's office said.

"The participants ... shared the view that the current situation where Russia and North Korea's closer ties have gone beyond the movement of military supplies to actual dispatch of troops is a grave security threat not only to our country but to the international community," it said. Yoon's office said South Korea, together with its allies, has been closely tracking North Korea's troop dispatch to Russia from the initial stages.

South Korea will respond to the North's activities with all available means, it added, without elaborating on what actions it might take. South Korea, which has emerged as a major global arms exporter, selling fighter jets, mechanized howitzers and missiles, has come under pressure from some Western allies including Washington to help arm Ukraine with lethal weapons but has stopped short of openly doing so.

North Korean Troops in Russia Readying for Combat in Ukraine War, South Korea Says | Reuters



Someone teach Trump about WW2.

The Lend-Lease Act was signed into law on March 11, 1941, and ended on September 20, 1945. A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $672 billion in 2023 when accounting for inflation) worth of supplies was shipped, or 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S. In all, $31.4 billion went to the United Kingdom, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and the remaining $2.6 billion to other Allies.