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3 large ammo bases destroyed basically, could be months worth of ammunition.





1500 Russian casualties yesterday, including 22 tanks and 63 artillery systems. Everything is running very very poorly for Russia right now. They are throwing everything they have against Ukraine to expel them and it's only giving the Russians more casualties. Could the futility of the Russian attempts be a sign of the beginning of the end?

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3908214-russias-casualty-toll-in-ukraine-up-by-1500-in-past-day.html



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shavenferret said:

This is the most desperate and yet wasteful move that Putin has made with this war. So, Russia has revamped its crew from the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and turned it into a mechanized infantry battalion. These crew were valuable because they had specialized training, and years of experience. This carrier was the pride of Russia's navy and had the best people possible running it. Now they are sent into the meat grinder. It reminds me of when Germany threw its navy crew and repurposed them for its army to keep the Soviets away. Now things have reversed and its both ironic and quite wasteful.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russians-form-a-mechanized-battalion-from-the-crew-of-the-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier/

So Russia already entering the Volksgrenadier stage of it's army?

Next stage, Volkssturm. After that, only Werwolf is left to scraping the barrel... but since those were Guerrilla units to fight off any invading force, that would be more in case Russia breaks apart with it's states revolting and try to break off.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
shavenferret said:

This is the most desperate and yet wasteful move that Putin has made with this war. So, Russia has revamped its crew from the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and turned it into a mechanized infantry battalion. These crew were valuable because they had specialized training, and years of experience. This carrier was the pride of Russia's navy and had the best people possible running it. Now they are sent into the meat grinder. It reminds me of when Germany threw its navy crew and repurposed them for its army to keep the Soviets away. Now things have reversed and its both ironic and quite wasteful.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russians-form-a-mechanized-battalion-from-the-crew-of-the-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier/

So Russia already entering the Volksgrenadier stage of it's army?

Next stage, Volkssturm. After that, only Werwolf is left to scraping the barrel... but since those were Guerrilla units to fight off any invading force, that would be more in case Russia breaks apart with it's states revolting and try to break off.

lol, well if we are gonna go there then both armies use crappy prisoner troops.  So, to a degree both are in the first stage of degradation.  I don't think that either will decline past that though.  If things get too bad then one side will sue for peace.   



Guardian article is saying that the United States is being too weak with Russia and that this stance is encouraging the Russians. Goes on about America's fears of escalation


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/23/west-ukraine-escalation-vladimir-putin



Heavy Russian losses again, 1330 troops, 16 tanks, and a whopping 81 artillery systems have been estimated as being destroyed

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3908491-russian-army-loses-another-1330-invaders-in-ukraine-over-past-day.html



Well, oops 🤭

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/23/russias-new-sarmat-ballistic-missile-blows-up-during-test-launch