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SecondWar said:

Didn't the US do a transfer like that some months ago? Hopefully its a set second and its not taken this long to get the 1 shipment through.

Yeah, it's the first seizure.

The government obtained ownership of these munitions on December 1, 2023, through the Department of Justice’s civil forfeiture claims against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). These munitions were originally seized by U.S. Central Command and partner naval forces from four separate transiting stateless vessels between 22 May 2021 to 15 Feb 2023.

The munitions were being transferred from the IRGC to the Houthis in Yemen in violation of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 2216. U.S. CENTCOM is committed to working with our allies and partners to counter the flow of Iranian lethal aid in the region by all lawful means including U.S. and U.N. sanctions and through interdictions.

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Every little helps I suppose but Ukraine will blow through those rounds in no time.

If only we seized a ship full of artillery...



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Idk why Biden isn't doing more Ringtausch.

Mike Johnson looks like he's in sole control of America's foreign policy RN and it's baffling.

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This was quite an interesting article which speaks of the crazy desperate steps that countries need to take in wartime. This sounds really off the wall lol, but could work. The ceo of Ukraine's biggest electric utility wants to build dozens or hundreds of small plants throughout ukraine, in order to decentralize energy production so that one missle won't be able to cause so much of an interruption to people getting power.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/04/06/hundreds-of-small-power-plants-ukrenergo-reveals-strategy-to-protect-against-russian-strikes/



Ryuu96 said:

Idk why Biden isn't doing more Ringtausch.

Mike Johnson looks like he's in sole control of America's foreign policy RN and it's baffling.

The US seemingly never does what works in other countries, always trying to do their own thing.



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Ryuu96 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Nah this is a bad idea. Isreal already doing that and most the targets are innocent humans.

Plus we are training AI to attack humans as being an OK thing to do. 

Drones are scary but unfortunately also the future of warfare, cheap ass drones have crippled a full fledged Navy, they've taken out million dollar modern tanks, they've wiped out infantry units, they've taken out critical infrastructure, etc. I get your concern but Russia will also likely be working on this stuff and whoever cracks the code of avoiding electronic warfare first will quickly go to having a major advantage on the battlefield, the AI purpose here is to avoid EW.

The drone would be launched and piloted by a human to about a mile before their target. At that point, AI would take over, guiding the drone to its eventual target and making it harder for Russia to jam any signals back to the pilot.

In addition, if the UK is involved along with other countries, it will probably have extremely strict usage considering how many restrictions the West already enforces on Ukraine, we have restrictions that they can't use our weapons on Russia, that they can't use cluster munitions near any populated areas, etc. It's also a different war than that in Israel/Gaza.

Firstly, it's a different environment, the vast majority of the Ukraine/Russia war is in open fields, forested areas, away from city populations and even a lot of these Ukrainian cities were largely evacuated, meanwhile Israel/Gaza is more of an urban war, Gaza is a tightly condensed population and Palestinians have been unable to flee, I imagine the majority of these drones will be used in the actual frontlines.

Secondly, targets don't automatically mean humans, they could input the oil refinery as a target, or as the picture depicts, a tank as a target, Ukraine using an AI drone to blow up a tank in the middle of a combat field far away from a city should have little chance of going rogue, flying off for miles and then picking out a random human target to go kill.

Finally, just because Israel doesn't care about civilian casualties, doesn't mean Ukraine won't. Ukraine is fighting for its country and thus has more reason to be more careful, Israel is fighting to exterminate a country, like Russia, so they don't care about drones killing civilians, they don't care about Palestinians because they aren't Israelis, Ukraine will care about Ukrainians.

Could pose a problem if they use the drones inside of Russia but the West already flipped their shit at Ukraine assassinating people inside of Russia, I can't imagine an oil refinery input having much risk or a command building and I don't see them doing much individual human targeting and EW already kills civilians when drones get jammed, fall out the sky instead of their intended target and explode on a civilian.

Ah this is more sensible. The Israeli AI bots are scanning people's faces (i.e. a database of HAMAS allegedly) determining who to attack not used to guide the craft into a predetermined target. Apparently everyone is HAMAS if in Gaza it would seem.



 

 



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Thomas Laliberty, President of Raytheon Land & Air Defense Systems says that they have the capacity to build 1 Patriot battery per month! This is currently underutilized though, as they only have Switzerland's order of 5 batteries in production right now, plus some replacement contracts for the assets transferred to Ukraine. They expect another 12 batteries will be on contract within the next 18 months though. It's astounding that the Biden Admin did not use any USAI funds to take advantage of this spare capacity by placing orders for additional Patriot batteries for Ukraine.

On missile production:

PAC-3 MSE is currently at 500/year, and will reach 650 by 2027.

And we finally learn what the rate for PAC-2 GEM-T is; 240/year, reaching 420/year in 2027. GEM-T is only in production for Foreign Military Sales customers. Raytheon currently has 500 GEM-T missiles on contract for production at their US facilities, plus 1000 missiles which will be built by their COMLOG joint venture with MBDA Germany. Raytheon expects another 1000 GEM-T orders on top of those 1500.