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Not sure why Germany has to wait for ATACMS (not that America shouldn't send ATACMS) when they aren't even the same type of weapon and Taurus equivalent is Storm Shadow/SCALP. Also if ATACMS does get sent then all that bullshit about "not having enough, we can't send any cause others are buying them" is well, bullshit. Just send them for fucks sake.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 10 August 2023

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If our minister of defence Pistorius could decide stuff like that on his own then Ukraine would have them already but Scholz is Scholz...he won't allow anything big (Leopard 2, Taurus, jets (we probably have none for Ukraine but if) without USA doing the same with "similar" weaponry.

I still have to say, many complain about Germany but we still send the second most military equipment to Ukraine (even more than UK who get praised) and many other countries only sent tanks because of our Ringtausch program to replace their tanks they gave to Ukraine. And that's not even taking the EU share into account or that Germany also has millions of refugees which other EU countries don't have. It's just that we do a lot for Ukraine's air defence and other stuff but everything which is about "killing" is something Scholz is scared about even though killing Russian soldiers should be an easier decision as to let Russian soldiers kill.

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Storm Shadow and SCALP are both 250km (the one Ukraine is using) but Taurus has a range of supposedly 500km. Storm Shadow's export version has always been less than the 500km internal version, I wonder if the hold up with Germany is that they are thinking about sending the 500km version so they want America to send ATACMS which is 300km...But that would be stupid because that's only 50km more than the Storm Shadow/SCALP they currently have.

Likely I'm wrong though and Taurus will be nerfed like Storm Shadow/SCALP down to 250km..







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Both topical for the site, and a reminder of how Putin’s Russia is cracking down on dissent.

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/metro-author-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-speaking-negatively-about-russia/



SecondWar said:

Both topical for the site, and a reminder of how Putin’s Russia is cracking down on dissent.

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/metro-author-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-speaking-negatively-about-russia/

Good thing he isn't in Russia anymore so Russia can stick their sentence up their ass.

Wonder what country he is in, hopefully one that hates Russia as much as the rest of us and will laugh at any extradite request.

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