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Ryuu96 on 25 June 2023
CaptainExplosion said:
Ryuu96 said:

Lol. Fucking Wagner.

How much did they have before that?

They had 20, so Wagner blowing one up leaves 19 left in Russia's inventory

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Russians with ties to the Kremlin expressed relief that Wagner’s mutiny did not spark a civil war. But they agreed that Vladimir Putin had come off looking weak in a way that could be lasting.

Konstantin Remchukov, a Moscow newspaper editor with Kremlin connections, said in a telephone interview that what once had seemed unthinkable was now possible: that people close to Mr. Putin could seek to persuade him not to stand for re-election in Russia's presidential vote next spring. With Saturday's events, he said, Mr. Putin had conclusively lost his status as the guarantor of the elite's wealth and security.

The idea that "Putin is in power and provides stability and guarantees security — it suffered a fiasco on the 24th," Mr. Remchukov said. "If I was sure a month ago that Putin would run unconditionally because it was his right, now I see that the elites can no longer feel unconditionally secure."

Mr. Remchukov, the newspaper editor, said the jitters touched off by Mr. Prigozhin's uprising could be felt in ways large and small in the Russian capital. He said he knew of prominent Russians who had fled Moscow on the day of the rebellion. For his part, Mr. Remchukov said he had stayed put in Moscow, but had decided against taking his Mercedes or Bentley out for a drive on Saturday for fear that Mr. Prigozhin's forces might confiscate it if they did indeed reach the city.

Two people close to the Kremlin, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive political issues, described the crisis as first and foremost the product of a dysfunctional system of governance verging on chaos — vividly captured in the Russian word bardak.

For Mr. Putin himself, the mutiny could spark an "existential crisis," said Sergei Markov, a political analyst and former Kremlin adviser.

"What he always took pride in is the solidity of Russian statehood and political stability," Mr. Markov said. "That's what they loved him for. And it turns out that it doesn't exist."

Did Prigozhin’s Revolt in Russia Harm Putin’s Staying Power? - The New York Times



Ryuu96 on 25 June 2023

Meanwhile Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov haven't shown their faces since the event.



Cobretti2 on 26 June 2023
Ryuu96 said:

Meanwhile Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov haven't shown their faces since the event.

And Prigozhin has been missing since that SUV video.  

Will be interesting who surfaces first.



 

 

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Ryuu96 on 26 June 2023
Cobretti2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Meanwhile Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov haven't shown their faces since the event.

And Prigozhin has been missing since that SUV video.  

Will be interesting who surfaces first.

Shoigu First!



Ryuu96 on 26 June 2023

Oh No, Prigozhin.

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Ryuu96 on 26 June 2023

Lol.

Prigozhin...You fucking idiot...You try to coup and think you can just walk away into the sunset? He's a dead man, Putin can't let a blow to his image like that go punished. Prigozhin is so fucking stupid, I wonder if a reason he backed down was maybe Putin threatened his family (he has a wife, mother and children in Russia). We all said that trusting Putin was dumb as fuck.

Going out swinging would have been better than being tossed in a Gulag or sipping poisoned tea, Smh.

One less scumbag in the world when the FSB gets him though.

Nazi Utkin should start considering his options too, the FSB will pay him a visit next after Prigozhin.

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