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I didn't want to requote the whole twitter posts from Ryuu, however this is from one of them

WESTERN ELECTRONICS EXPORTS TO RUSSIA BACK TO PRE-WAR LEVEL, US OFFICIAL SAYS: Exports of key microchips and electronics that Russia needs for its war machine are back to pre-war levels, as Russia has gotten better at circumventing sanctions, Jim O’Brien, sanctions coordinator at the U.S. State Department, said Wednesday.

The problem, O’Brien said, is that European companies are selling to other countries, which in turn resell the materials to Russia. “By the start of this year, Russia was able to reimport certain key categories of electronics at about pre-war levels,” O’Brien told Playbook at an ECFR event, referring to chips, processors and integrated circuits key to making modern weapons.

Which countries are enabling circumvention? O’Brien said the U.S. has identified five countries in particular that are causing the circumvention problem: Turkey, Kazakhstan, Georgia, the United Arab Emirates and Armenia.

Reminder: EU countries are working on the 11th sanctions package against Russia, which would focus on anti-circumvention of the existing sanctions and include a new mechanism to potentially punish countries outside of the EU that enable sanction evasion.

NEW ATTEMPT TO REACH SANCTIONS DEAL NEXT WEEK: The destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam, which unleashed massive flooding in the Ukrainian region of Kherson, has given an extra sense of urgency to find a deal on the upcoming EU sanctions package on Russia. However, there was no political deal at the meeting of the EU’s top envoys on Wednesday, four EU diplomats told POLITICO.

You know the issues by now, right? Greece and Hungary are still holding out over Ukraine listing some of their companies as “war sponsors.” Athens and Budapest want some of their companies struck off this list before they will agree to the sanctions package.

And and and: Several EU countries, including heavy-hitters Germany and France, have concerns about the anti-circumvention ban, as they fear it could hurt diplomatic relations. The European Commission has already watered down its initial proposals to accommodate these concerns, and one of the diplomats said that this issue seemed “solvable.”

What’s next? The Commission presented another version of the sanctions proposal ahead of the meeting on Wednesday, but this didn’t lead to a deal, the four diplomats said. EU ambassadors will now discuss the proposal again at their meeting next Wednesday June 14, hoping to come to an agreement then. “We are getting closer,” one of the diplomats said, while acknowledging that the European Council at the end of the month can also be a final deadline.

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I mean to me this seems much more simple then this web of text.

Surely these 5 countries pre war, were either not buying these microchips and electronics or buying significantly less of them.

Therefore, if greed was not the factor and they had any fucking morals, they would simply refuse to sell the elevated stock levels to these countries.

Also interesting about Greece and Hungary, wonder what they are up to.



 

 

Cobretti2 said:

Also interesting about Greece and Hungary, wonder what they are up to.

They only want to sanction war sponsors as long as their companies can still be part of the system. And now imagine Russia wouldn't get their stuff from sanctioned companies from other countries anymore, then they would order even more from these Turkish and Greek companies and push their economy. Something both countries would definitely help in the situation they are right now. 

It's just sickening how some countries just want to make money with this war and love to support both sides as long as they order from them. 





EU needs to hurry up with its next sanction package.

"Several EU countries, including heavy-hitters Germany and France, have concerns about the anti-circumvention ban, as they fear it could hurt diplomatic relations."

Lol. Who gives a shit? Hungary is already a f*cking wart on our ass, Greece is practically held up by EU and protected by NATO from Turkey so how are they pushing us around? We barely have a relationship with Georgia whose government already leans Russia. Turkey will bitch and moan but as America has proven they will get in line when slapped with sanctions. Kazakhstan and Armenia have no leverage over us.

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Dark Brandon returns.



crissindahouse said:
Cobretti2 said:

Also interesting about Greece and Hungary, wonder what they are up to.

They only want to sanction war sponsors as long as their companies can still be part of the system. And now imagine Russia wouldn't get their stuff from sanctioned companies from other countries anymore, then they would order even more from these Turkish and Greek companies and push their economy. Something both countries would definitely help in the situation they are right now. 

It's just sickening how some countries just want to make money with this war and love to support both sides as long as they order from them. 

Ok so I wasn't off my tree when I read it like 2am lol.

Basically financial greed over lives. Maybe if the Greek government could sanction it's own citizens and get them to pay taxes, they wouldn't be so desperate to fuel the war for financial gains.