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All seized Russian assets, all Russian Oligarch assets should be taken, sold and the funds sent to Ukraine.



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Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 June 2023

This event put in a new light the Kherson evacuation done by Russia a few weeks ago where they displaced what was more likely their loyalists all the while they were apparently already preparing this by raising the water level behind the dam itself.

China has identified some of its own dams as an issue in case of conflicts with other nations, mainly the Three Gorges Damn which might affect up to 400m people were it to collapse. Maybe a blatant use of such attacks by another country will force them to also condemn the attack as they certainly don't want the world to view this as a valid option in the future.

I hope for swift action by Nato but I fail to see how this can even be done at this point.
Of course, the usually raised sanction provides more equipment and better equipment but it does not seem sufficient to adequately respond to this Russian terrorist attacks. Maybe it will be enough for the US to send long-range Himars.

At the same time, a forceful reaction from Nato is probably one of the goals of such an attack, Russia is a dying country using its last resources to provoke others as much as it could. They are looking to generate a reaction that would justify all their action in retrospect in the eyes of other dictators and unstable countries and push some to join them against the collective West. So it's very hard to judge how will Nato react to this.





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I love how terrible Russian footage always looks as well so that you can't make anything out.

Except that it has four big wheels, Lol.



Hard to tell. Could be anything from a tank to a tractor but if it's something tank like it could be a Keiler which is a mine clearing system. But who knows, maybe it's just dirt on the lense lol



Czech Minister of Foreign Affairs.



Russia's likely involvement pointed to its fears of the upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive, said Pavel Luzin, a visiting scholar at Tufts University's Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

He said that the dam's construction — an earth fill dam, made of compacted soil — meant it could only have been blown up from the inside and would have been left largely undamaged by artillery strikes. "They spent all of May trying to stop the attack with more missile attacks. It didn't work, so they decided to blow up a power station," Luzin said.

But Russia's positions would likely be worse affected than Ukraine's in the longer term, he added. "The water will flow away in a few days, and it's the Russian positions on the left bank that are flooded," he said.

Financial Times

Residents of Russian-occupied areas along the river described a tense and nervous atmosphere as they waited to see which areas would be affected. Ilona's own house, which she had to leave behind when she fled the Russian invasion last spring, is not far from her mother's. After living with her three children "out of our car" for the past year, she had hoped to return to the family home some day.

Now, the house had been completely flooded, she said. "It tears me apart."

On the Ukrainian-controlled side of the river, authorities urged tens of thousands of residents in and around flooded areas to leave and to take their pets if they could. Zoriana Stelmakh, a Ukrainian volunteer in the settlement of Sadove, on the west bank of the Dnipro about 40km downstream from the dam, said residents were reluctant to leave despite the devastation and rising waters. "People don't want to go because they hope that everything will change soon," she added.

She described pleading with an older man who had climbed on top of his roof to get away from the flood, and refused to leave.

On the Russian-held side, the Moscow-installed head of the occupied areas of Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, said in a video on Tuesday morning that "as a result of an explosion, water in the Dnipro river below the Kakhovka reservoir rose by up to four metres", but had stabilised.

In the video recorded from a car, Saldo said the breach would not affect local residents or Russia's ability to defend its positions on the river — but half an hour later his administration announced the start of evacuations from coastal areas.



"Could they have the vile idea of dropping a tactical nuclear bomb on their own territory? Is that why we are retreating in the Belgorod region, allowing them to advance, because it's frightening to throw [a bomb] on foreign land, but we'll throw it on our own?" - stated Prigozhin.

Speaking of Prigozhin, Shoigu still hasn't done anything about Wagner kidnapping a Russian Commander, Lol.