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TallSilhouette on 04 November 2022
KiigelHeart said:

And think about how much money US has spent on their military since Cold War? Most of it because of Russia. Now there's a chance to weaken/beat them with a minimal cost, without even sending own troops to die. Also compared to money US poured in Afganistan, aid to Ukraine is peanuts. Unlike Afganistan, war in Ukraine has a high chance to be succesful. 

Yeah, this is the part that baffles me the most. In aiding Ukraine, Biden is doing as much damage to Russia (at a lower cost) as any POTUS in history. 'Patriots' should be thrilled at the returns we're already seeing on our investment. Not to mention how this rally is restoring the strength of our alliances and standing on the world stage. This is a night and day difference to the previous administration where Trump was the laughingstock of the world and would roll over and show Putin his belly at every opportunity (even as he was putting bounties on American soldiers).

But we all know the right is full of it. They sympathize more with the literal fascists in Russia than the nation defending its very sovereignty. They care more about opposing Biden than they do Putin. They value authority, not freedom.



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Ryuu96 on 05 November 2022



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Ryuu96 on 05 November 2022

Not a single one.



Jumpin on 05 November 2022
SanAndreasX said:
Ryuu96 said:

A lot of Republicans today would love if America was run like Russia, not so much the pathetic army aspect but culturally, the "anti-woke" "strongman" image that Russia so desperately tries to convey which in Russia just means a bunch of sexism/racism. Another chunk will say that anything the Dems do is bad, Dems support Ukraine = Supporting Ukraine is bad.

Some also will believe that Ukraine is the main thing to blame for the current economic situation and simply don't care about Ukraine, they will think that stopping aid to Ukraine will suddenly hugely improve things, it won't. Ukraine isn't going to surrender no matter what and rightfully so, the best way to relieve the economic pressure that this war is causing is by ending it faster, we end it faster by giving Ukraine everything they need to push Russia out.

But Ukraine is only one of many factors for the current economic situation.

I'm still not worried though, for starters, I don't believe there are enough psychopaths like MTG in Congress, I think there's enough Republicans still who will side with Ukraine aid, if Dems lose House/Senate it will only be by a very small amount and public support is still in Ukraine's favour overall. We've already had top ranking Republicans come out in support of Ukraine; I hope they would know more what is at stake than the general public.

Also, based on everything I've read, Biden does not need congressional approval for Lend-Lease after it's signed into law, which it has been, it allows him to send stuff without going through the usual channels (House/Senate) and has yet to be used, so if the worst comes and House/Senate start blocking aid, we still have Lend-Lease as a backup.

A reminder, once again, that CPAC featured the worst European dictator after Putin and Lukashenko as a keynote speaker at CPAC in Texas this year. Putin has also convinced them that Russia is a "Christian" nation, in part due to the fact that Patriarch Kirill is a willing collaborator with Putin. 

These Trumpists are useful idiots for Putin.



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Farsala on 05 November 2022
Jumpin said:
SanAndreasX said:

A reminder, once again, that CPAC featured the worst European dictator after Putin and Lukashenko as a keynote speaker at CPAC in Texas this year. Putin has also convinced them that Russia is a "Christian" nation, in part due to the fact that Patriarch Kirill is a willing collaborator with Putin. 

These Trumpists are useful idiots for Putin.

Useful for the Democrats too.



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Rab on 06 November 2022
Ryuu96 said:

What blows my mind is how Putin is left out of this every time, he ordered these attacks, he ordered the war, but only the Generals (also rightly) get blamed, the Russians have a huge blind spot to who really is to blame front and centre for their soldiers deaths and failures  



Ryuu96 on 07 November 2022



Ryuu96 on 07 November 2022