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Ryuu96 on 25 October 2022



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Ryuu96 on 25 October 2022



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KLAMarine on 25 October 2022

I sincerely hope for some sort of end to this madness



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drkohler on 25 October 2022
KLAMarine said:

I sincerely hope for some sort of end to this madness

This will end when Prigozhin makes his move against Putin (possibly with Khadyrow on his tails). The battle will be decided in Moscow, not in the Ukraine. Notice that the Wagner troups have barely lost men in any significant numbers. While Putin is constantly throwing people into the battle (and losing many), weakening his position within the military complex. 



Ka-pi96 on 26 October 2022
drkohler said:
KLAMarine said:

I sincerely hope for some sort of end to this madness

This will end when Prigozhin makes his move against Putin (possibly with Khadyrow on his tails). The battle will be decided in Moscow, not in the Ukraine. Notice that the Wagner troups have barely lost men in any significant numbers. While Putin is constantly throwing people into the battle (and losing many), weakening his position within the military complex. 

Just hope that stirs things up enough for both of them to end up losing. They need to get rid of putin but I'm not sure things would be any better with prigozhin in charge.



GaoGaiGarV on 26 October 2022

Well, at least we know that last time someone became dictator of a country while commanding a private army that operated outside of regulations it didn't turn out quite well for Europe.

Notice that the Wagner troups have barely lost men in any significant numbers.

If that was the case there was no need for constantly recruiting more convicts. It is rather that nobody really cares if they die. They are just staff working for a private company. The state has nothing to do with that and is not obligated to report numbers of fallen mercenaries or pay their bereaved.



Ryuu96 on 26 October 2022
GaoGaiGarV said:

Well, at least we know that last time someone became dictator of a country while commanding a private army that operated outside of regulations it didn't turn out quite well for Europe.

Notice that the Wagner troups have barely lost men in any significant numbers.

If that was the case there was no need for constantly recruiting more convicts. It is rather that nobody really cares if they die. They are just staff working for a private company. The state has nothing to do with that and is not obligated to report numbers of fallen mercenaries or pay their bereaved.

Would agree with this. We don't really know how much Wagner is suffering because Russia doesn't need to report on their deaths but the fact that they're constantly recruiting prisoners tells me either they're low on numbers or they're cowards which makes me think their abilities are overestimated. Prigozhin is complaining that Wagner is being relied on too much as well whilst being insufficiently resourced.

They are having some success around Bakhmut but they have been trying to take Bakhmut for months now and there are multiple videos of dead Russians around Bakhmut, I don't know whether they're prisoners or Wagners but all this effort to take one spot must be inflicting serious casualties and Ukraine is just taking them down through attrition and it isn't even a large group of Ukrainians.



Ryuu96 on 26 October 2022