GaoGaiGarV said:
Well I will take the win. Getting rid of one of Russias biggest supporters or at least severely crippling them is more important in the long run, especially if their plans of acquiring nuclear weapons get thwarted. The impacts of higher oil prices will only be temporary, since either the war will end now that Israel and the USA have achieved their goals or, if the Iranian regime tries to do something foolish like a blockade of the strait, the USA and the neighboring OPEC states will bomb the shit out of them, making it crumble overnight. So if the regime has any sense of self preservation and doesn't want a Syria 2.0 to happen, they will take the L and move on.
In the end this is what we wanted 2 1/2 years ago and now we are finally getting it. Not for the reasons we would have wished, but nevertheless...
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It doesn't change much for Ukraine on the battlefield, Iran was a big supporter of Russia at the start but things like Shahed drones are now produced domestically in Russia itself, at high numbers and Russia has even improved the drones in some areas, they've optimised production and don't really need Iran anymore for drones, from a military standpoint I don't think it will hurt Russia much.
I don't want Iran to have nukes but this is the wrong way to go about it and guarantees that Iran will never stop seeking out nukes now, it's hypocritical that Russia has nukes and is currently trying to slaughter a country who surrendered its nukes for protection from America/UK/Russia which it never received. It's hypocritical that Israel isn't a part of the NPT and has nukes and is currently slaughtering Palestinians. Pakistan and India both have nukes and aren't exactly led by stable leaders. North Korea too. America bombs the shit out of the Middle-East like its a hobby and has nukes. The only deterrent in the world is nukes, more countries will be seeking nukes in the future because we fucked up.
USA and Israel haven't achieved their goals, they destroyed mostly empty facilities and Iran was nowhere near producing a nuke, now they will try to speed things up, Israel and Iran immediately went back to bombing each other the next day, the war isn't finished yet just because America slapped Iran and then ran away and said "please don't hit me back" and there is zero chance the OPEC states will bomb the shit out of Iran when Iran has missiles which can reach almost all of them and many of those countries also have a dislike of Israel too.
You can't do regime change via aerial bombardments only, mentioning Syria only supports that fact, Syria was in a civil war for over 10 years which America was involved in for multiple years, in the end Syria achieved regime change only via rebellion on the ground from Syrian natives and that was from a group which America until recently considered an enemy/terrorist and weren't even the ones America was backing. Syria got a little lucky (? - Pending Results) but most "bomb the shit out of them and hope for the best" end up with some other crazy bastard taking over.
Meanwhile 10s of thousands of anti-drone missiles were taken from Ukraine and diverted to Middle-East...
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 23 June 2025