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SecondWar said:
shavenferret said:

That scenario would do a lot of things regarding american foreign policy goals.... We could see things like:

-russia losing khaliningrad

-russia losing siberia

-russian people angry about the vast amounts of wealth wasted on war, and moving towards liberalism of the nation

And perhaps other nations that russia has gobbled up (georgia if i'm not mistaken) becoming free and independent again

I can’t see either of those first two words things happening, regardless of the outcome of the war.

That's certainly fine. Russia spends a lot to keep some of its less loyal territories in check. They are probably paying the ailing leader in Chechnya out the ass so he will continue to be a puppet. They spend a lot on kaliningrad as well. And if Russia weakens enough due to its economy, then the time may be right for freedom to emerge like a lotus from mud. 



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Russian Su-24 bomber crashed in Mali. They are truly both the most faulty military ever. I'd be scared of stepping foot in a russian plane but that's just me.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-su-24m-bomber-crashed-in-mali-heres-what-we-know-9135



Zelenskyy: US Weapons Deal Ready—but Only Presidents Can Finalize It

https://united24media.com/latest-news/zelenskyy-us-weapons-deal-ready-but-only-presidents-can-finalize-it-9132

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C'mon Trump, do it



shavenferret said:

Zelenskyy: US Weapons Deal Ready—but Only Presidents Can Finalize It

https://united24media.com/latest-news/zelenskyy-us-weapons-deal-ready-but-only-presidents-can-finalize-it-9132

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C'mon Trump, do it

This is to buy US weapons so Trump has zero reason to refuse unless of course he is a Russian asset.



We were told the mineral deal would deter Russia from targeting U.S. businesses - something supposedly beneficial for both the U.S. and Ukraine. So what happened to that assumption? It seems Russia doesn't care. No one takes tough talk seriously when it's never backed by action.

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) 15 June 2025 at 12:56


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Ryuu96 said:

We were told the mineral deal would deter Russia from targeting U.S. businesses - something supposedly beneficial for both the U.S. and Ukraine. So what happened to that assumption? It seems Russia doesn't care. No one takes tough talk seriously when it's never backed by action.

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) 15 June 2025 at 12:56

This exactly why I was skeptical to say the least at the time. The implication Trump was making was that if US businesses attacked, Trump would intervene on Ukraine's side, which quite clearly he has no intention of doing.



Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

Zelenskyy: US Weapons Deal Ready—but Only Presidents Can Finalize It

https://united24media.com/latest-news/zelenskyy-us-weapons-deal-ready-but-only-presidents-can-finalize-it-9132

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C'mon Trump, do it

This is to buy US weapons so Trump has zero reason to refuse unless of course he is a Russian asset.

Right, hopefully a purchase, instead of a handout, will be enough middle ground for Mr scrooge. 

Edit: And Anerica has weapons that Europe can't provide, such as HIMARS. If zelensky needs to pay then so be it. He gets all kinds of $$$$ from Europe and elsewhere anyway. 

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Russian railroad is headed for bankruptcy, trolly due to sabotage, declining amount of freight, general economic malaise etc. The only thing to fix this would be to print money and give it to the railroad. Another reason why Russian inflation is going way up

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-economy/4004381-russian-railways-on-brink-of-bankruptcy-ukraine-intel.html



Trump with Mark Carney: "The G7 used to be the G8. Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn't want to have Russia in, and I would say that was a mistake, because I think you wouldn't have a war right now if you had Russia in."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 16 June 2025 at 16:40

Completely Wrong.

In March 2014 Russia was suspended indefinitely following the annexation of Crimea, whereupon the political forum name reverted to G7. So Russia was actually suspended BECAUSE they started a war with Ukraine, not BEFORE they started the war, you absolute fucking moron. Who was Prime Minister of Canada in 2014? Stephen Harper, a fucking Conservative.

I've never seen a more pathetic man in all my lifetime, his knees must be in agony.



He's trying so hard to find 100 reasons why everyone else except Russia and Putin are at fault. Why doesn't he just say in the camera that Russia had to attack Ukraine because Russia is just defending itself of all their enemies lol

I'm sure if Trump would be a teenager with some posters on his wall then his wall would be full of Putin. He loves him just so much and wants to be like him. 

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