The war in Ukraine has shown that since rare and super expensive equipment is becoming a target more often by drones, that there may be a need to scale back quality. Mass, or numbers are becoming more important a d so is finishing the fight early in order to avoid a war of attrition.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wests-approach-weaponry-wrong-vs-russia-ukraine-defense-industry-2025-6

Well depends what the quality aspect is designed to do. Is it to save lives or not? Throwing quantity over quality is the reason many Russian soldiers are dying. Less precision is also the reason many civilians are caught in the cross fire as the missile accuracies are not as precise as the west. This is the WW1 and WW2 mentality

The other reason it is slow and expensive is because there was no need to mass produce these things at a scalable level by the west.

However the future has shown that drones will play a more important role in future. These are good at taking out quality driven equipment and quantity driven equipment. Hell we may see drones fighting drone and then we have to start to wonder wtf are we having wars for it its machines killing machines lol

I'd say it more highlights the need for some active protection systems that can target drones and loitering munitions effectively. Moving backwards isn't the right way out, you need a proper solution to the problem first.

For instance, during World War 1, Anthony Fokker developed a way to fire a machine gun through the propeller without damaging it, and gave it to the Germans, leading to what is known as the Fokker Scourge. The Entente didn't have such a system, but the French had older, softer bullets, so they armored the propeller to fire through instead. This was a workaround with older technology, but not the solution. Only after the Entente also got hold of this system did they level the playing field and fought the Germans on equal ground. Ukraine must do the same, not downgrade the equipment, but upgrade in a way to neutralize this scourge.

Right, now all i said was that numbers/mass is becoming *more* important, not that this will be the only valuable thing.  It's just that there won't necessarily be an unending race to the top of the tech tree if u don't mind a rts reference.  The article also says that top tier vehicles are still needed, but there will also be a need for lower level ones as well.  

You and cobretti might be taking my response in a way that it wasn't meant.  What myself and the article as well said was that there will be a need for midlevel equipment to a greater now.  That doesn't mean that you can just throw out all of the top level stuff and use the midrange. I also said that a way to keep this from being a problem would be to win the fight as early as possible. 

I agree with you on the countermeasures.  There are also short range radars and machinegun based AAA that can kill drones dead.  So there are options.  

We, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President of the Republic of Moldova Maia Sandu, President of Montenegro Jakov Milatović, President of Romania  Nicușor Dan, Prime Minister of the Republic of Bulgaria Rossen Jeliazkov, Prime Minister of the Republic of Croatia Andrej Plenković, Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic Kyriakos Mitsotakis, Speaker of the Parliament of the Republic of Albania Elisa Spiropali, First Deputy President of the Government and Minister of Environment and Physical Planning of the Republic of North Macedonia Izet Mexhiti, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign and European Affairs of the Republic of Slovenia Tanja Fajon, gathered on 11 June 2025 in Odesa, Ukraine, for the fourth time in the format of the Ukraine – Southeast Europe Summit.

Our work today builds on the deliberations and conclusions of the previous Ukraine – Southeast Europe Summits, held in Athens, Greece on 21 August 2023, Tirana, Albania on 28 February 2024 and Dubrovnik, Croatia on 9 October 2024, respectively.

In the course of the Summit, we addressed a broad agenda to enhance regional security, including but not limited to the Black Sea region, resilience, and cooperation. Priorities included security, hybrid threat prevention, trade, energy security, demining, Ukraine’s recovery, humanitarian aid and rehabilitation — especially for Ukrainian veterans and children affected by Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine.

Today, as the participants of the Summit, we issue the following Declaration:

1. 1,204 days have passed since Russia launched its illegal, unprovoked and unjustified full-scale military invasion of Ukraine, continuing its armed aggression against Ukraine from 2014. We condemn Russia’s brutal war of aggression against Ukraine in the strongest possible terms. It constitutes a grave crime against the Ukrainian people, a blatant violation of international law — including the UN Charter — and a severe threat to peace, security, and stability across the wider European continent and globally.
2. We acknowledge and support Ukraine’s efforts to find a diplomatic path to restoring a comprehensive, just and lasting peace. In this regard, we reaffirm our unwavering support for Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, including territorial waters, and we reiterate our commitment to providing comprehensive and sustained support to Ukraine and its people for as long as necessary.
3. We urge the international community to intensify its support for Ukraine in its struggle to defend its freedom, independence, and territorial integrity. At the same time, we call on all nations to refrain from offering any form of material or other assistance to Russia’s war effort. We underscore the importance of alignment with the European Union’s Common Foreign and Security Policy decisions and measures.
4. Full withdrawal of Russian forces and equipment from the entire Ukrainian territory, an end to hostilities and the war as a whole, and the full restoration of Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders are essential, non-negotiable conditions for a comprehensive, robust and durable peace.
5. We emphasize the strategic importance of the Black Sea for European and global security, including food security, and commit to strengthening regional maritime cooperation, maritime security, connectivity, safety, freedom of navigation, and protection of critical infrastructure.
6. The future membership of Ukraine, the Republic of Moldova and our Southeast European partners in the EU is vital for the long-term stability, security, and prosperity of the region and Europe as a whole.
7. NATO membership remains the best cost-effective security option for Ukraine. We reaffirmed our support to the Euro-Atlantic aspirations of partners of the region. We support Ukraine on its irreversible path to full Euro-Atlantic integration, including NATO membership. The Open Door Policy, enshrined in Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty, is one of NATO’s main strengths. Neither Russia nor any other state that is not a NATO member has the right to veto the Alliance’s enlargement. In the same vein, we fully support Ukraine's right to choose its own security arrangements and decide its own future, free from outside interference.
8. We condemn the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Russian armed forces and other military formations in and against Ukraine, including deliberate, disproportionate and indiscriminate armed attacks and drone and missile strikes against the civilian population and critical civilian infrastructure of Ukraine, as well as the forced deportation of thousands of Ukrainian civilians — including children — from the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine to the Russian Federation.
9. We reaffirm the importance of effective and independent investigations of Russia's war crimes against Ukrainians and other crimes committed in or against Ukraine, and of subsequent bringing the perpetrators to justice. Furthermore, we support the international efforts to set up a special tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, committed by the Russian Federation.
10. We underscore the importance of food security. Ukrainian agricultural products must be freely and safely delivered to global markets. To this end, safe, unimpeded commercial navigation and access to Ukraine’s Black Sea and Azov Sea ports are essential. Food security must not be weaponized. We reiterate the significance of demining as the starting point for Ukraine’s recovery and reconstruction, and we welcome the efforts undertaken by coastal states in this respect. Attacks by Russia on merchant ships, civilian ports, and related infrastructure, as well as violations of other countries’ sovereign territory, including airspace, are unacceptable.
11. Ukraine’s energy infrastructure continues to suffer from deliberate and systematic attacks by Russia. We discussed ways to scale up our support, including mobilizing the private sector to provide necessary equipment and financing. We also emphasized the importance of enhanced regional coordination and robust electricity interconnectors to mitigate the impact of these attacks and strengthen regional energy security.
12. We encourage the international community to maintain and further strengthen sanctions against the Russian Federation in the banking and energy sector, especially regarding the oil price caps and Russia’s shadow fleet to deprive the aggressor of the resources needed to continue fuel its war of aggression against Ukraine, as well as take measures to prevent sanctions circumvention. Russia must be held accountable and pay full compensation for its illegal war of aggression against Ukraine. The Russian assets in all possible forms play a constructive role in recovery of Ukraine according to the international law provisions.
13. We confirm our intention to develop and strengthen friendly relations in the fields of economic cooperation and trade and to work towards further advancing trade and economic integration within the region and between the region and the EU, following effective incorporation of the EU acquis and free trade between non-EU members.
14. We commit to contributing to Ukraine’s ongoing and post-war recovery and reconstruction. This includes engaging all relevant stakeholders — international financial institutions, private companies,  local communities, and other partners — to secure the investments, expertise, and financial support necessary to build a prosperous future for Ukraine. The countries in Southeast Europe should play a pivotal role in Ukraine’s reconstruction process.
15. We reaffirm our commitment to enhancing cooperation and coordination in the humanitarian sector through the implementation of targeted initiatives, particularly in programs focused on health and rehabilitation of veterans and vulnerable groups affected by Russia's armed aggression against Ukraine. In this context, the International conference on the rehabilitation and reintegration of veterans, to be held in Croatia in October 2025, will be of particular relevance.
16. We emphasize the critical importance of cooperation in cyber security and in preventing illegal and hybrid interference in electoral processes of sovereign states, including through disinformation and foreign information manipulation and interference. We underline the key role of the EU support aimed at strengthening the democratic processes and countering foreign interference, also in candidate countries. We warn that any interference — direct and indirect — in the constitutional or electoral processes of a sovereign state is inadmissible. Such actions constitute a grave violation of international law and pose a serious threat to democratic values, principles and processes across the region.
17. The Parties affirm the importance of mutually facilitating information sharing and the exchange of experiences in countering cyber-attacks during hybrid warfare as well as recommendations on strengthening the protection of information and communication systems, considering their own experience in countering malicious cyber operations.
18. In this regard, we agree to work jointly on the prevention of hybrid threats and to hold the next meeting in Odesa of the countries – parties to this Declaration at the level of relevant agencies.
19. A free, peaceful, and prosperous Europe is impossible without a free, peaceful, and prosperous Ukraine. The participants of the Ukraine – Southeast Europe Odesa Summit remain resolutely committed to this vision.

Declaration of the Fourth Ukraine – Southeast Europe Summit — Official website of the President of Ukraine

🇷🇸 Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić: “Serbia is ready to help rebuild one or two Ukrainian cities or regions to clearly demonstrate its support for the Ukrainian people.”

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 17:58

⚠️ As of July 1, the organization documenting Russian war crimes in Ukraine will cease operations and lay off all staff, CNN reports. Previously funded by the U.S. State Department, support was cut this year due to government budget reductions.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 19:12

Although Secretary Hegseth acknowledged that Russia is the aggressor and affirmed U.S. support for Ukraine, he emphasized that the Trump administration’s priority is to pursue negotiations rather than secure a clear military victory. He avoided explicitly endorsing a Ukrainian win.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 18:22

Reporter: “What real leverage do you have to make Russia stop?”
Trump: “Look, they’re losing 5,000 soldiers a week.”
Reporter: “But they don’t care.”
Trump: “Well, maybe not... we make progress, then something gets bombed, and it’s over. Let’s see if we can change that.”

This man has no leverage.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 15:47

🇺🇸❗️The Pentagon has launched a review of 2021 Aukus submarine deal with the UK and Australia to determine if the US should scrap the project, - FT

⚠️ Ending the submarine and advanced technology development pact would destroy a crucial pillar of security co-operation between the allies.

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 17:00

🇺🇸🎤🤔 The US has allegedly confirmed its participation in the Intervidenie contest, which Moscow is organizing because it was kicked out of Eurovision, - Russian media.

❗️List of contestants: Russia, China, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Venezuela, Serbia, Cuba, Iran, and others…

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 16:35

✅ Today marks 2 weeks since Trump gave Putin "the last 2 weeks". We are waiting for a new series of deadlines.

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 09:40

🇪🇺🇺🇸 Europe must do more for its defense. But the US must remember: twice before, destabilization in Europe dragged American soldiers into destructive wars, —
Zelensky.

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 17:35

🗣️ “That is why it is so important for America to remain involved in European security. NATO strengthens the security architecture of Europe. Each European country has the right to choose its own security path. The upcoming NATO summit should confirm this,” — Zelensky

— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 17:35

Far more likely Trump America's sides with the Nazis this time around.

The General Staff confirms successful strikes on key Russian military-industrial sites overnight.

Ukrainian drone units hit multiple high-value targets, including the Tambov Gunpowder Plant. Explosions were also recorded at the ammo depot of the 106th Airborne Division and Buturlinovka airbase.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 15:49

🇬🇧🇺🇦 Ukraine will receive nearly £1.7 billion in additional defense funding from the United Kingdom, Prime Minister Shmyhal announced. The funds will be used to procure more weapons, including Rapid Ranger air defense systems and Martlet light missiles.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 11 June 2025 at 15:55

A man was singing the national anthem under the rubble in Kharkiv.

As a result of the Russian attack, 3 people were killed and over 60 were injured. Among the wounded are nine children.
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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) 11 June 2025 at 15:56

I read the article but I don't fully agree with it as there is no context to what they mean will be sacrificed. If it's air conditioning or electronics sure whatever. If it's safety then no I do no agree lower end vehicles are needed.

A good example is we have seen drones hit Russian tanks and the men die in them. We have seen drones hit America tanks and people survive in them. Sure eventually the tank got damaged but at least the first impact or two meant soldiers survived and got to escape and live another day.