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Trump stated that sanctions could be imposed on both Ukraine and Russia, saying “I have a deadline in my head. We will be very tough, it takes two to tango.”

He also expressed understanding for Russia’s point of view regarding Ukrainian strikes on Russian airbases.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 5 June 2025 at 17:25

Haha.

So, a country gets invaded, has its citizens slaughtered on a daily basis, so the country defends itself by blowing up military targets, a lot of which are used to lob missiles at innocent men, women and children on a daily basis, and so we must punish the country defending itself, they must sit back and openly take all of Russia's rape and murder and any attempt to fight back is not allowed. These people are all victim blaming cunts. The next time someone is stabbing them to death, they better just sit there and take it, any attempt to fight back is them escalating the situation, just take the knifing yeah? The murderer will tell you when he wants peace.

What has actually happened is that Trump knows how much of a pathetic spineless coward he is coming across, by consistently delaying any amount of consequences for Russia repeatedly mocking America, Trump knows how much it reveals to the world how much Russia owns his ass, but he can't possibly go against his masters and sanction them, oh but now he has an out, so he doesn't look like so much of a coward, he will sanction them both! That way he hurts Ukraine just as much as he hurts Russia.



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Ryuu96 said:

Trump stated that sanctions could be imposed on both Ukraine and Russia, saying “I have a deadline in my head. We will be very tough, it takes two to tango.”

He also expressed understanding for Russia’s point of view regarding Ukrainian strikes on Russian airbases.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 5 June 2025 at 17:25

Haha.

So, a country gets invaded, has its citizens slaughtered on a daily basis, so the country defends itself by blowing up military targets, a lot of which are used to lob missiles at innocent men, women and children on a daily basis, and so we must punish the country defending itself, they must sit back and openly take all of Russia's rape and murder and any attempt to fight back is not allowed. These people are all victim blaming cunts. The next time someone is stabbing them to death, they better just sit there and take it, any attempt to fight back is them escalating the situation, just take the knifing yeah? The murderer will tell you when he wants peace.

What has actually happened is that Trump knows how much of a pathetic spineless coward he is coming across, by consistently delaying any amount of consequences for Russia repeatedly mocking America, Trump knows how much it reveals to the world how much Russia owns his ass, but he can't possibly go against his masters and sanction them, oh but now he has an out, so he doesn't look like so much of a coward, he will sanction them both! That way he hurts Ukraine just as much as he hurts Russia.

i just did a calculation from data i got on google.   

Ukraine's trade with the United states is a much larger percentage of its GDP than

Russia's trade with the united states divided by its own GDP.   In other words, the tariffs would hurt Ukraine much more.  They'll have to find better trading partners than whoever is sourcing their goods from the US.  

Also, Trump is about as scummy as a witch's unwashed ass.  I usually hate people that pride themselves on being a shining example of a person but still feel like they can be sneaky and cause some form of harm to others



⚠️ On a serious note: There is a real threat of massive drone and missile attacks on Ukraine tonight.

Please stay alert. Don’t ignore air raid alarms — head to shelter immediately.

— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 5 June 2025 at 21:08

✈️⚠️ Russia may use up to 20 (!) aircraft of various types for attacks on Ukraine — monitoring channels specify that these will likely be: SU-57/SU-30, TU-95MS/160/22M3, and MiG-31K aircraft.

— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 21:06

❗️Total salvo of up to 30 "Kalibr": 4 missile carriers are in the Black Sea.

‼️ At the moment, about 85 UAVs have been recorded over Ukraine.

— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 21:25

Russia's "revenge" is coming, likely an attempt to kill more innocent civilians, stay safe Ukrainians.

Ukraine is not laying down and taking it though, destroying more military targets.

🦅🦅🦅🚀🚀🚀

MASSIVE ATTACK ON RUSSIA AND CRIMEA

Map from DroneBomber

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 21:33

Something serious happening at Bryansk airport in Russia. Another Iskander?

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 5 June 2025 at 22:03

👀🚀 Our military writes that minus one more Iskander….

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 22:03

Bryansk, Russia — reportedly near the airport area. A detonation occurred following a Ukrainian strike. The explosion appears consistent with the ignition of rocket fuel — possibly from an air defense system or another missile-carrying military asset.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 22:05

Secondary explosions can be heard after the huge explosion at the Bryansk airport. It appears that Ukrainians lit up another Russian weapons transport.

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— (((Tendar))) (@tendar.bsky.social) 5 June 2025 at 22:19

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
SvennoJ said:

Apart from Germany having their own reasons (the population) to get rid of nuclear energy, this has nothing to do with going into nuclear.

France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy.... Belgium is a bit over 40%.

Mainland Europe prefers gas for cooking, not electric. You can't power gas stoves with nuclear power... Same for heating, hot water.

But yes, it shouldn't be an excuse not to get gas from elsewhere. Or use a blend with hydrogen from electrolysis. The problem with that is that Hydrogen is a much smaller molecule and more easily leaks out of existing gas pipeline infrastructure. It all takes a lot of time to adjust :/

It's hard to stand up for what's right when you don't want to inconvenience your own population or economy even a hair... Money comes first, own people (that vote for you) second, morals / doing the right thing last.

Germany doesn't need to influence anyone behind the scenes, all countries are out for themselves first. The U in EU is just for mutual trade benefits.

Bolded: Hence why electrification needs to get pushed forward also in homes. This would eliminate the need for natural gas as electricity can be produced by a plethora of other sources.

Meaning while in Victoria Australia, they already banned new natural gas connection)to safe us from global warming) to homes and soon are starting to disconnect people from it, so people will be required to swap to electric appliances lol.



 

 

SvennoJ said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Bolded: Hence why electrification needs to get pushed forward also in homes. This would eliminate the need for natural gas as electricity can be produced by a plethora of other sources.

Rather not. Power failures still happen plenty here in Canada (power lines are all above ground). Big storm, power outage. At least with gas you can still warm up. You can't BBQ on electric either. Plus a gas dryer is more efficient than electric.

Changing to hydrogen gas is a good option but needs a lot of infrastructure changes.



You can produce the hydrogen in home of course. Another appliance for the utility room next to water heater and central air. But it's probably more efficient to do so at industrial scale and you have far less 'leakage' in transport like you have with electricity.

(And then you still have an alternative source of heat when the power goes out)

What do you mean you can't BBQ on electric? Australia has electric BBQs all over the place in parks for people to use for free.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:

Meaning while in Victoria Australia, they already banned new natural gas connection)to safe us from global warming) to homes and soon are starting to disconnect people from it, so people will be required to swap to electric appliances lol.

Not much save there "ENERGY STAR certified models, are up to 10% more efficient" However gas transmission only loses up to 2%, electricity transmission can lose up to 15%... Yet that's still minor compared to "Waste heat occurring due to inefficiencies in the process of converting primary energy to electricity. This makes up about 54% of the overall losses."

https://www.enerdynamics.com/Energy-Currents_Blog/How-Much-Primary-Energy-Is-Wasted-Before-Consumers-See-Value-from-Electricity.aspx

Ever wonder how much of the primary energy that goes into creating electricity actual provides useful work to us as consumers? Well the answer is not much – depending on the device using electricity it’s anywhere from 30% to as little as 5%.

And BBQ on electric, what's the point? Flame grilled or just use the stove.

Air fryers do very nice work though. For smaller things much more efficient than the oven.

I rather keep gas as alternative with temperatures going down to -20c in winter and heavy snowfall still causing power outages.



I don't think we use much gas here in Finland, and we're alright in winter too. I think it's usually storms that cause power outages here, not snowfall. A quick investigation on Wikipedia kind of hints at Finland getting more snow in general than Canada, although apparently you get more snow in autumn, whereas here in Finland the heaviest snowfall is usually in something like January-February. Anyway, for the least densely populated areas, I don't doubt gas is a good choice, but if you need it even in more densely populated areas, I suspect choices have been made to favour gas instead of finding ways to manage even without it. It'd actually be somewhat interesting to learn what the history is behind our different paths in energy usage.



Zkuq said:

I don't think we use much gas here in Finland, and we're alright in winter too. I think it's usually storms that cause power outages here, not snowfall. A quick investigation on Wikipedia kind of hints at Finland getting more snow in general than Canada, although apparently you get more snow in autumn, whereas here in Finland the heaviest snowfall is usually in something like January-February. Anyway, for the least densely populated areas, I don't doubt gas is a good choice, but if you need it even in more densely populated areas, I suspect choices have been made to favour gas instead of finding ways to manage even without it. It'd actually be somewhat interesting to learn what the history is behind our different paths in energy usage.

The electricity distribution operator Elenia invests in substantial underground cabling aiming for 75% by 2028 to meet outage requirements and adapt to climate change impacts such as extreme weather events. This enhances energy supply security and cost savings, supported by collaboration with telecommunications companies and technology integration.

The difference is overhead lines are the norm in rural areas here. It's not so much the snow causing outages, it's the trees buckling under the snow that take out the lines, and then the snow hampers repairs.

Yet otherwise, it's also a matter of not having all your eggs in one basket like internet, phone and cable tv are now all in one line. 


Ice storms are the worst

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/local/article/power-outages-persist-in-hard-hit-areas-after-ontario-ice-storm/

Some Ontario regions hard hit by last weekend's ice storm may not recover power until the end of the week, Hydro One said Tuesday as crews and communities braced for more freezing rain in the coming days.

The utility provider said power has been restored to more than 783,000 homes and businesses since the start of the storm, but its outage map still listed about 215,000 affected customers as of Tuesday night. Repairs in areas including Orillia and Peterborough could take until Friday.


There are more outages in summer from lightning and wind storms, but those are generally repaired quickly. And losing AC for a few hours is nothing compared to a week without power in the winter. We have a gas fireplace with thermostat control by batteries, so can always use that.

Anyway water heaters and central heating are all gas here. Gas is also cheaper here than electricity. The difference in keeping the house warm (20c/21c) in winter with gas, versus keeping it cool (24c/25c) in summer is several hundred dollars a month. 

AI response: Canadian natural gas prices are generally lower than those in Finland, influenced by factors like abundant resources, competitive markets, and low extraction costs.

Canada produces pretty much all of the gas it uses, however since 98% of our production is in the West, the East imports half of its consumption from the US, while the West exports half of its production to the US.

We need more Trans Canada pipelines to cut out the US!


Anyway, my main reason is, I don't like turning my house into a single point failure system! It's really nice to still be able to cook or grill dinner when the power fails :) Also hospitals use gas powered generators as backup.



SvennoJ said:
Zkuq said:

I don't think we use much gas here in Finland, and we're alright in winter too. I think it's usually storms that cause power outages here, not snowfall. A quick investigation on Wikipedia kind of hints at Finland getting more snow in general than Canada, although apparently you get more snow in autumn, whereas here in Finland the heaviest snowfall is usually in something like January-February. Anyway, for the least densely populated areas, I don't doubt gas is a good choice, but if you need it even in more densely populated areas, I suspect choices have been made to favour gas instead of finding ways to manage even without it. It'd actually be somewhat interesting to learn what the history is behind our different paths in energy usage.

The electricity distribution operator Elenia invests in substantial underground cabling aiming for 75% by 2028 to meet outage requirements and adapt to climate change impacts such as extreme weather events. This enhances energy supply security and cost savings, supported by collaboration with telecommunications companies and technology integration.

The difference is overhead lines are the norm in rural areas here. It's not so much the snow causing outages, it's the trees buckling under the snow that take out the lines, and then the snow hampers repairs.

Yet otherwise, it's also a matter of not having all your eggs in one basket like internet, phone and cable tv are now all in one line. 


Ice storms are the worst

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/local/article/power-outages-persist-in-hard-hit-areas-after-ontario-ice-storm/

Some Ontario regions hard hit by last weekend's ice storm may not recover power until the end of the week, Hydro One said Tuesday as crews and communities braced for more freezing rain in the coming days.

The utility provider said power has been restored to more than 783,000 homes and businesses since the start of the storm, but its outage map still listed about 215,000 affected customers as of Tuesday night. Repairs in areas including Orillia and Peterborough could take until Friday.


There are more outages in summer from lightning and wind storms, but those are generally repaired quickly. And losing AC for a few hours is nothing compared to a week without power in the winter. We have a gas fireplace with thermostat control by batteries, so can always use that.

Anyway water heaters and central heating are all gas here. Gas is also cheaper here than electricity. The difference in keeping the house warm (20c/21c) in winter with gas, versus keeping it cool (24c/25c) in summer is several hundred dollars a month. 

AI response: Canadian natural gas prices are generally lower than those in Finland, influenced by factors like abundant resources, competitive markets, and low extraction costs.

Canada produces pretty much all of the gas it uses, however since 98% of our production is in the West, the East imports half of its consumption from the US, while the West exports half of its production to the US.

We need more Trans Canada pipelines to cut out the US!


Anyway, my main reason is, I don't like turning my house into a single point failure system! It's really nice to still be able to cook or grill dinner when the power fails :) Also hospitals use gas powered generators as backup.

Interesting. Underground cabling is definitely a choice, but I don't recall that having been a huge thing in rural areas here in the past. We were still able to manage, and maybe it's not so much about not having power outages as it is about finding different ways to cope with them. I'm guessing rural areas here have tended to use, and probably still use, wood for keeping houses warm, which is probably a huge help. Or maybe our trees don't cause such issues as commonly, for one reason or another. Anyway, coming back to underground cabling and the whole situation, I guess it helps in not making the choice to have underground cabling in rural areas if you have such a cheap alternative available.



Cobretti2 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Bolded: Hence why electrification needs to get pushed forward also in homes. This would eliminate the need for natural gas as electricity can be produced by a plethora of other sources.

Meaning while in Victoria Australia, they already banned new natural gas connection)to safe us from global warming) to homes and soon are starting to disconnect people from it, so people will be required to swap to electric appliances lol.

And meanwhile in the US, Republicans created another moral panic among MAGA by telling them that their gas stoves were going to ba taken away from them.