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Ryuu96 said:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK AMERICA.

The next US president is going to have a day job cleaning up all the mess this administration’s making. If they even can.

OT: I can follow Rol’s optimism here, it seems Europe is getting pretty pissed off, and that was probably needed for real things to happen. Still we’ll have to wait and see.



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Britain needs to go back over and smack the shit out of its problem child, look at the monster we've birthed /s.



S.Peelman said:
Ryuu96 said:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK AMERICA.

The next US president is going to have a day job cleaning up all the mess this administration’s making. If they even can.

OT: I can follow Rol’s optimism here, it seems Europe is getting pretty pissed off, and that was probably needed for real things to happen. Still we’ll have to wait and see.

they won't be able to. Tariffs and and economics instability is one things that can be salvage after a new and logical administration take place however the US have lost their status as World leader and they won't be able to get it back simply because no one else will be willing to see the US as such going forward.

World security, is something you absolutely need to be reliable and the US just shouted to everyone that they are not. It will takes decades for other countries to rely on the US again the same way they did up to now but by that time it's not certain the US will even be able to play that role again anyway.



EpicRandy said:
S.Peelman said:

The next US president is going to have a day job cleaning up all the mess this administration’s making. If they even can.

OT: I can follow Rol’s optimism here, it seems Europe is getting pretty pissed off, and that was probably needed for real things to happen. Still we’ll have to wait and see.

they won't be able to. Tariffs and and economics instability is one things that can be salvage after a new and logical administration take place however the US have lost their status as World leader and they won't be able to get it back simply because no one else will be willing to see the US as such going forward.

World security, is something you absolutely need to be reliable and the US just shouted to everyone that they are not. It will takes decades for other countries to rely on the US again the same way they did up to now but by that time it's not certain the US will even be able to play that role again anyway.

Don't worry, Republicans are "concerned" they'll surely do something about Trump ripping through America's entire foreign relations! Lol.

If there was any Republican who genuine gave a shit they would issue articles of impeachment.



The Roman Catholic Church is probably making plans for a papal enclave to succeed Pope Francis, who is in critical condition at the age of 88.

There are five likely top choices, according to the Independent. Two of them could potentially gum up the works for the Ukraine.

Cardinal Matteo Zuppi (Italy): Moderate, has said positive things about LGBTQ+, met with Zelenskyy during the invasion of Ukraine, and Biden. Probably the best choice out of these. Was also a favorite of Pope Francis, which may or may not work against him, depending on how much pull the conservative wing of the Catholic Church has in this papal conclave.

Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines): Left-leaning, pro-Ukraine, pro-LGBTQ+

Cardinal Pietro Parolin (Italy): Vatican Secretary of State, pro-Ukraine, moderate

Cardinal Peter Erdo (Hungary): About what you'd expect. Ally of Viktor Orban, has called taking in refugees the "equivalent of human trafficking." President of the European Bishop's conference. Hard right-wing.  That said, he would probably have the best chance of bridging the East and West of these popes.

Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke (United States): Hard right. No opinion on Ukraine that I can find, but pro-Trump and generally follows most MAGA positions, so it might be reasonable to assume he'd support the MAGA "peace" plan of Ukraine capitulating to Russia. Was constantly critical of Biden and most of Francis's attempts to liberalize certain church policies. Anti-vax, which contributed in part to Pope Francis revoking his right to a Vatican apartment and salary. Basically the ecclesiastical version of Trump.

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