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Have read on the BBC that hospitals in occupied Crimea are suspending the admission of new patients to free up beds for wounded Russia soldiers.

Hard to say for certain, but this would suggest that Russian losses, including wounded, are still mounting significantly despite Russia appearing to be on the front-foot militarily.



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I'm seeing reports on the BBC that Ukraine is now launching a counter-attack against Russian occupied Kherson (been a long time coming) as well as a large explosion, likely done by partizans, in occupied Melitopol appearing to target the head of the Russian occupation authority.

The news regarding Severodonetsk seems pretty bleak. But it's unclear at this stage whether Russia has suitable defences to hold Kherson or conversely how effective Ukraine will be with their push to retake the city.

Ryuu - Do any of your sources have more info on what's happening in Kherson and Melitopol?




Compared to last week.
+1150 Troops
+3 Planes
+56 Tanks
+4 Helicopters
+116 Personnel carriers (APV)
-399 Artillery (look like a human error) should be +29
+4 MLRS
+31 UAV
+5 Special equipment
+52 Vehicles/fuel tanks (now combined)
+8 Cruise missiles

Key takeaways:
Numbers continues their downward trend all over the board.
https://liveuamap.com show very little change in territorial control over the last week this combined with the downward trend suggest that very little attempts from Russian to expand their territorial control have been made. Russia seems to be relying more and more solely on shelling Ukrainian frontlines and try to keep off with directly engaging with Ukrainians troops



Mutiny among Russian forces? Nice.



TallSilhouette said:

Mutiny among Russian forces? Nice.

Whilst that would indeed be nice, I’m sadly inclined to believe any instance are isolated and sporadic given the momentum Russia have built up in Donbas. I saw the a UK Defence source appear to claim the Russia forces were on the brink of collapse, which  does not seem likely given ongoing event despite the losses; which even using the larger estimates constitute less than a sixth of their initial invasion force 30,000 out of 190,000). There’s also reports if Russian forces massing around Kursk, which borders Sumy suggesting Russia are preparing to attack their again.

That map Ryuu has posted above shows more area around Mykolaiv contested than other recent ones. Unclear is the UK defence map is off or something else is going on int hat area.



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I believe I've read that the 30% number is mainly for offensive performance. Even if you do lose 30% though, you can still disperse units to reinforce other units, after which you might have fewer but more performant units. It takes time though, and there are fewer units as a result, but losing 30% of the initial strength will not render the Russian army incapable of doing anything or even incapable of attacking. Anyway, as I far as I know, this is exactly what Russia has been with to some of their units that have taken heavier losses: disperse them to other units to reinforce them.



This is what Russian minister Seigei Larvov had to say about Ukraine getting Western missiles

"The things that the Kyiv regime unapologetically demands from its Western patrons, firstly, overstep all bounds of decency and diplomatic relations and, secondly, are a direct provocation aimed at drawing the West into combat," Lavrov told Russian media

To call this gaslighting is an understatement. What reality is this guy living in.



PDF said:

It is incredible how overt the west has become in its military support for Ukraine. People can debate if this technically qualifies as a proxy war but this may be the closest we ever get to war with Russia. I don't mean we will be dragged into war but we are clearly seeing how the "assumed" superior western military technology actually does against
Russian military.

Obviously, there are still cards on the table that Russia has still not used and it's not like the West is fully invested but the amount of information that I am sure the Pentagon is collecting on weapon performance is vast. I am no fan of the military-industrial complex but that world must be going crazy right now.

Also -- Thanks again to Ryuu for keeping this thread updated. I honestly check it about once a day.

On both sides, it is just a pretext to test their weapons/ intelligence against the opposition. The US has always tested their weapons, but mostly against pathetic opponents in comparison to Russia. Russia is obviously a dumpster fire right now, but their next war might be even more dangerous now that 100,000s are getting war experience, including the generals and commanders that survive.

I always wonder what is stopping non nuclear Nato allies from opening a new front with Russia to force the war to end. I suppose in the end for example Poland, values 1000 Polish lives over 100,000 Ukrainians.



Farsala said:

I always wonder what is stopping non nuclear Nato allies from opening a new front with Russia to force the war to end. I suppose in the end for example Poland, values 1000 Polish lives over 100,000 Ukrainians.

In addition to what Ka-pi said above, consider where exactly would Nato attack? The Nato countries that border Russia are Norway, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland.

Norway’s border is a very small one in the far north, where even if you wanted to launch an attack it would be impractical. As for the others, it would be almost suicidal for them to attack Russia, plus Nato’s article 5 wouldn’t apply in the event of a Nato member attacking Russia first.

The countries with large border with Russia are Ukraine and Finland, and the Ukraine example is why Finland are more nervous now and seeking Nato membership. Georgia is still the most likely country to use Russia being preoccupied in Ukraine to attack, as Russia currently occupies territory claimed by Georgia - but this still appears unlikely given the military disparity between the two.



Ka-pi96 said:
Farsala said:

I always wonder what is stopping non nuclear Nato allies from opening a new front with Russia to force the war to end. I suppose in the end for example Poland, values 1000 Polish lives over 100,000 Ukrainians.

Because russia are a nuclear power.

Attacking them now would be incredibly risky. putin's probably getting pretty desperate already and giving them the excuse of "hey, they attacked us, we're just defending ourselves", is a very risky move indeed.

Not to mention russia has defensive agreements with China. China aren't likely to get involved in russia's offensive war, but if somebody else declares war on russia...

If they wanted to use Nukes, then they can just nuke Ukraine. They won't though, because nuking any european country would be like declaring war on the whole continent.

Besides I am not talking about attacking Russia. I am talking about defending Ukraine. If they nuke another country for defending another, that would indeed be insane.

SecondWar said:
Farsala said:

I always wonder what is stopping non nuclear Nato allies from opening a new front with Russia to force the war to end. I suppose in the end for example Poland, values 1000 Polish lives over 100,000 Ukrainians.

In addition to what Ka-pi said above, consider where exactly would Nato attack? The Nato countries that border Russia are Norway, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland.

Norway’s border is a very small one in the far north, where even if you wanted to launch an attack it would be impractical. As for the others, it would be almost suicidal for them to attack Russia, plus Nato’s article 5 wouldn’t apply in the event of a Nato member attacking Russia first.

The countries with large border with Russia are Ukraine and Finland, and the Ukraine example is why Finland are more nervous now and seeking Nato membership. Georgia is still the most likely country to use Russia being preoccupied in Ukraine to attack, as Russia currently occupies territory claimed by Georgia - but this still appears unlikely given the military disparity between the two.

Like I said above, I am not talking about attacking Russia. I am talking about defending Ukraine.

The new front would be for example, a Polish line of defense/offense in Kherson/ Crimea, while Ukraine focuses on Donbas.