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Phaeton said:
Ryuu96 said:

This is absolute

"Russia held the upper hand through the entire conflict"

This is cope and blatantly untrue.

No,user,this is absolute Russian Constitution Article if memory serves 65,publicly available.

And coping is using irrelevant social media accounts for sources instead of something...more grounded in reality.

And yes,i do support Russia.Usage of "Kiev regime"should have made that Danny Crystal-level clear.



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Was probably Putin's alt. He has a lot of spare time hiding out in his bunker.

Or the Ghost of Prigozhin to join his many other disguises.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 07 February 2025

That's handy though. That you can just put in your constitution that you own something you don't own.



Phaeton said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

A freeze in the conflict would also mean a freeze in western deliveries of military hardware. And since Russia can easily outproduce Ukraine, it would help Russia much more as after the freeze they would have the upper hand again in terms of equipment.

bolded: Russia does the same with the 4 regions they are "occupying". Neither do they occupy entirely or even any of their regional capitals, But Russia treats them as Russian territory. And not just the part they occupy, but the entire regions. So if all things are equal, If Russia can consider the entire region their own despite only occupying a part of them, then the same would apply for Ukraine, too.

Again,fundamental misunderstandings here.First of all,freeze in the conflict would NOT mean a freeze in western deliveries of military hardware.

More importantly,Kiev regime's primary supplier isn't the West.It's Soviet Union,and supplies from it are one-time.And already happened.

Finally,"upper hand AGAIN"?What?Russia held the upper hand through the entire conflict,Kiev regime just had numerical superiority while Soviet supplies lasted.

SOVIET.Not Western.Nobody cares about thirty Leopards when you need thirty of them PER BRIGADE.Which is more than production run.

Russia doesn't"treat"new regions as Russian territory,they are Russian territory by Russian constitution,which happened as a result of local plebiscites.That NOW Russia doesn't hold provincial capitols is irrelevant-it held enough territory for a plebiscite-Kiev regime never even attempted one.

1. The incentive to support Ukraine falls apart in most countries if the conflict freezes, so yes, deliveries would take a stepp hit.

2. Soviet equipment came mostly in 2022, since then, the Ukraine military is steadily transforming into a NATO-standard army, with most of their current equipment being on NATO calibers instead of WP calibers now.

Also, you're contradicting yourself here, saying that it wouldn't mean western deliveries would go down but at the same time you're saying they are insignificant compared to Soviet supplies. Again, this may have been true in 2022 when Ukraine captures scores of Russian equipment plus western surplus soviet equipment deliveries, but since then that ain't true anymore.

3. About that 30 Leopards, let's see how many western armored vehicles have been delivered to Ukraine to date, shall we?

Tanks:

  • Leopard 1 : 195
  • Leopard 2 : 110
  • M1 Abrams : 80
  • Challenger 2 : 14

AFVs:

  • 68 BVS-10
  • 23 FV107 Scimitar
  • 9+ Fennek
  • 40+ AMX 10 RC

IFVs:

  • 160 Marder
  • 300+ M2 Bradley
  • 125+ CV 90
  • 200+ KTO Rosomaks

APCs:

  • 353 YPR-765
  • 35 FV103 Spartan
  • 40 FV104 Samaritan
  • Over 1500 M113 (couldn't be bothered to count the exact amount)
  • 284+ VAB
  • 20 Sisu XA-185
  • 108+ Bandvagn
  • 400 Stryker
  • 400 M1117
  • 424 FV100/FV430 (exact number of each type not announced)
  • 250+ Pbv-302
  • 89 LAV 6
  • GTK Boxer, Patria AMV and Puma 6x6 (no numbers announced)

Those with a + behind the number are still getting more delivered or where not the exact number has been announced, just "over x amount".

Add to this 1500+ MRAPs, 6000+ Armored Mobility vehicles (most of them Humvees), 350+ self-propelled artillery (most being French CAESAR and US M109), and yo get enough equipment for several corps, not just brigades, worth of western equipment. The Soviet equipment like T-72 are increasingly on the way out as Ukraine has less and less of them, with the exception of the T-64 because it's a domestic design, and maybe the BTR-4, but that Ukrainian design is already a hybrid of Soviet and Western design philosophies.

Also, keep in mind that many western vehicles have the same calibers, so mixing Leopard 2 and Abrams in a brigade is less of an issue than Russians using T-62 and T-72 in the same brigade since the T-62 and T-72 don't use the same ammunition for their main guns.

bolded: Voted at gunpoint to get that result, yay. That way you can get whatever result you want. If somebody held Putin at gunpoint for instance, and order him to break up Russia and blame regional independence movements for it, he'll do just to save his skin it and say it's the will of the people even if it isn't true. Well, same shit happened to the inhabitants in the occupied Ukrainian regions, they weren't exactly free to choose their answer...

Edit: All that research and he'll never read it because he got banned in the meanwhile, yay...

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Phaeton said:

Again,fundamental misunderstandings here.First of all,freeze in the conflict would NOT mean a freeze in western deliveries of military hardware.

More importantly,Kiev regime's primary supplier isn't the West.It's Soviet Union,and supplies from it are one-time.And already happened.

Finally,"upper hand AGAIN"?What?Russia held the upper hand through the entire conflict,Kiev regime just had numerical superiority while Soviet supplies lasted.

SOVIET.Not Western.Nobody cares about thirty Leopards when you need thirty of them PER BRIGADE.Which is more than production run.

Russia doesn't"treat"new regions as Russian territory,they are Russian territory by Russian constitution,which happened as a result of local plebiscites.That NOW Russia doesn't hold provincial capitols is irrelevant-it held enough territory for a plebiscite-Kiev regime never even attempted one.

Edit: All that research and he'll never read it because he got banned in the meanwhile, yay...

Lmao. Sorry. Though him being banned doesn't mean he won't be lurking, but likewise if he has been lurking he has likely followed this thread for sometime already and seen all these similar arguments. I don't think he will care. I've been told in the past I've been too light on the voices who justify Russia's bullshit but this guy straight up supports it, not even a "NATO is scary!" but straight up support of Russia's actions, I don't believe it would be an effective use of our time to make an attempt on brainwashed idiots, instead of simply just supporting Ukraine.

What are the odds we'd even get through to him anyway? He lives in Russia and clearly eats up all their propaganda so I'd say less than 1% and in the meanwhile be distracted, angry, arguing with a brainwashed individual, trying to combat his Russian propaganda bollocks instead of focused on Ukraine. It's not really our responsibility to de-brainwash people and I don't want him, a pro-Russian, to be spreading propaganda, nor do I believe Nazi supporters have any place on the website which kind of trumps all the rest of what I said, Lol.

I don't think your stuff is wasted entirely because there's actual non-brainwashed people here who will read it and appreciate it.

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Ryuu96 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Edit: All that research and he'll never read it because he got banned in the meanwhile, yay...

Lmao. Sorry. Though him being banned doesn't mean he won't be lurking, but likewise if he has been lurking he has likely followed this thread for sometime already and seen all these similar arguments. I don't think he will care. I've been told in the past I've been too light on the voices who justify Russia's bullshit but this guy straight up supports it, not even a "NATO is scary!" but straight up support of Russia's actions, I don't believe it would be an effective use of our time to make an attempt on brainwashed idiots, instead of simply just supporting Ukraine.

What are the odds we'd even get through to him anyway? He lives in Russia and clearly eats up all their propaganda so I'd say less than 1% and in the meanwhile be distracted, angry, arguing with a brainwashed individual, trying to combat his Russian propaganda bollocks instead of focused on Ukraine. It's not really our responsibility to de-brainwash people and I don't want him, a pro-Russian, to be spreading propaganda, nor do I believe Nazi supporters have any place on the website which kind of trumps all the rest of what I said, Lol.

I don't think your stuff is wasted entirely because there's actual non-brainwashed people here who will read it and appreciate it.

I'm really surprised.  I've seen these people that are obviously paid to vomit out pro-russian opinions, but I didn't think that they would find this little corner of the internet.  On that old FB group for the russian-ukrainian war, they had africans and russians doing the same thing.  And you could tell that a lot of them, especially the africans, wouldn't even speak their opinions with any emotion--- obviously fake.   

 It's one more example of the bloated russian propaganda operations that probably infected trump ( at least for a while) and many other right wing politicians lately such as orban. 



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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, a staunch ally of Trump, says the sanctions imposed on the court by the US president are part of “the Trump-tornado”.

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Phaeton said:
Ryuu96 said:

This is absolute

"Russia held the upper hand through the entire conflict"

This is cope and blatantly untrue.

No,user,this is absolute Russian Constitution Article if memory serves 65,publicly available.

And coping is using irrelevant social media accounts for sources instead of something...more grounded in reality.

And yes,i do support Russia.Usage of "Kiev regime"should have made that Danny Crystal-level clear.

If you're still reading, have you ever stopped to consider the following?

  • How come a country of 140-150 million people has only one person even potentially fit to lead, and everyone seriously opposing him ends up either in prison or dead? How likely is it that you just happened to elect the most capable person in your country in over 20 years after a relatively short troubled period?
  • How many medias presenting significant opposing views to the current regime can you find in your country? Here in Finland, even the state-owned media is critical of our regime. Can you say the same of yours, or any of the major medias?
  • What do you think would happen if you openly opposed your regime? I don't mean violent opposition, I mean simply voicing your opposition calmly and using truthful arguments.
  • How do you feel about using a country's power against less powerful countries? If you think it is justified, how do you feel about the US and its power?
  • What makes you think it's your trustworthy sources that are trustworthy instead of mine? Is it your trustworthy sources telling you they're trustworthy, or have you ever doubted them? It makes sense for people to stop and think their sources, and having done that a bit, I can consider my sources fairly trustworthy or at least identify the less trustworthy ones. On the other hand, much of the content created by Russian media that I sometimes run into simply doesn't match my own experiences etc., but I can't really say that for our own media.

Anyway, just wanted to provide some food for thought in case you're still lurking around. You don't seem like a troll (unless you're very bad at trolling), just poorly informed and misguided due to the circumstances you live under.



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