Vice-Governor of Primorsky Krai, Russia, Sergei Efremov, could not sit still in his homeland with his family and decided to go kill people in Ukraine and ended up dying somewhere 7,000 km from his home.
https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3lh6utxxccs24
Bofferbrau, if i understand this correctly, Ukraine is moving to a corps based system where the corps will control smaller brigades, whereas right now not all brigades are part of a corps. I guess the advantage of moving to a corps system is like using a coordinated fist, versus attacking with 4 separate fingers. Also, i imagine that NATO will need ukraine to move to a corps system. Is this big news or more meh stuff? Let us know of any thoughts on this.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/syrskyi-armed-forces-of-ukraine-begin-transition-to-corps-based-command-system/
🚨 #BREAKING: Trump says he is seeking to trade Ukraine's rare earth metals in exchange for U.S. aid — AFP.
— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 3 February 2025 at 18:46
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🇩🇪 Chancellor Scholz criticized Trump's statement on access to Ukrainian rare earth materials in exchange for aid, emphasizing that Ukraine's "Victory Plan" aims to use its resources for the future. He stated it would be selfish to use them for defense funding during the war. #Ukraine #Scholz
— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 3 February 2025 at 22:29
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He's a scumbag Mafia boss who needs to receive monetary benefits simply to do the right thing, despite the fact that half of the Ukraine aid remains in America anyway. Trump wouldn't protect his own children if there wasn't a financial benefit in it for him. Having said that, I know this was Zelenskyy's backup plan anyway.
Kyiv delayed minerals deal with US to let Trump take credit, NYT reports
If this is what it takes to ensure continued support to Ukraine then so be it, Zelenskyy seems to be playing Trump smartly so far. However, I do believe a lot of these rare minerals and resources exist in the eastern parts of Ukraine, thus Ukraine would have to push Russia back some more, so if Trump wants access to those he will have to help Ukraine push Russia further out.
(Outdated Territory Control)
If it's the only option then it's a bitter pill to swallow but one that makes sense for their survival. Plus Trump won't be President in 4 years anyway so Zelenskyy or whoever is in charge can re-negotiate with a lesser dickhead, likely receive loan forgiveness and all that crap, a President who will be less likely to plunder Ukraine's lands in exchange for their freedom, we hope.
Meanwhile the frozen Russian assets should all be sent to Ukraine.
🚨 Reuters: U.S. briefly paused weapons shipments to Ukraine as the Trump administration debated its policy. Shipments resumed over the weekend after the White House reconsidered halting all aid, but internal divisions remain over continued support.
www.reuters.com/world/us-arm...
— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 3 February 2025 at 19:58
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Ryuu96 said:
He's a scumbag Mafia boss who needs to receive monetary benefits simply to do the right thing, despite the fact that half of the Ukraine aid remains in America anyway. Trump wouldn't protect his own children if there wasn't a financial benefit in it for him. Having said that, I know this was Zelenskyy's backup plan anyway. Kyiv delayed minerals deal with US to let Trump take credit, NYT reports If this is what it takes to ensure continued support to Ukraine then so be it, Zelenskyy seems to be playing Trump smartly so far. However, I do believe a lot of these rare minerals and resources exist in the eastern parts of Ukraine, thus Ukraine would have to push Russia back some more, so if Trump wants access to those he will have to help Ukraine push Russia further out.
(Outdated Territory Control) If it's the only option then it's a bitter pill to swallow but one that makes sense for their survival. Plus Trump won't be President in 4 years anyway so Zelenskyy or whoever is in charge can re-negotiate with a lesser dickhead, likely receive loan forgiveness and all that crap, a President who will be less likely to plunder Ukraine's lands in exchange for their freedom, we hope. Meanwhile the frozen Russian assets should all be sent to Ukraine.
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Well it's Trump we are talking about though. He's kind of decided that everything he does has to be for some short-term business sort of interest. It would probably cost less in the long run to give aid if that meant Russia would otherwise win if aid were not delivered, but what the hell does that matter to trump? He only cares about how the GOP voters will care about his choices right now. Whatever, and yes, Zelensky is doing the best that he can.
Last edited by shavenferret - on 04 February 2025
Putin Urged to 'Stop the Madness' Amid Russian Troop Suicides
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-russia-soldiers-suicide-report-capture-novoyehorivka-2025657
South Korea confirms North Korean troops not engaged in Kursk battles
The exact reason for the withdrawal of troops is still being determined, but preliminary indications are heavy casualties
https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/south-korea-confirms-north-korean-troops-not-engaged-in-kursk-battles
Russia proposes easing conscription rules for people with certain mental disorders, syphilis, NGO reports
https://kyivindependent.com/russia-proposes-easing-conscription-rules-for-people-with-certain-mental-disorders-syphilis-ngo-reports/
Ryuu96 said:
He's a scumbag Mafia boss who needs to receive monetary benefits simply to do the right thing, despite the fact that half of the Ukraine aid remains in America anyway. Trump wouldn't protect his own children if there wasn't a financial benefit in it for him. Having said that, I know this was Zelenskyy's backup plan anyway. Kyiv delayed minerals deal with US to let Trump take credit, NYT reports If this is what it takes to ensure continued support to Ukraine then so be it, Zelenskyy seems to be playing Trump smartly so far. However, I do believe a lot of these rare minerals and resources exist in the eastern parts of Ukraine, thus Ukraine would have to push Russia back some more, so if Trump wants access to those he will have to help Ukraine push Russia further out.
(Outdated Territory Control) If it's the only option then it's a bitter pill to swallow but one that makes sense for their survival. Plus Trump won't be President in 4 years anyway so Zelenskyy or whoever is in charge can re-negotiate with a lesser dickhead, likely receive loan forgiveness and all that crap, a President who will be less likely to plunder Ukraine's lands in exchange for their freedom, we hope. Meanwhile the frozen Russian assets should all be sent to Ukraine.
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And the simple solution to having avoided this was..... Any western European leader showing a backbone and supporting Ukraine so the Russians would have lost by now.
Europeans funded the bombs and bullets to kill Ukranians and did literally nothing for Ukranians after the annexation of Crimea. How could any deal or trade for the support needed to win be the fault of Trump or the US when Europe has slow-walked their support, ignored NATO funding for decades, then magically decided that they gotta do more now?
Yes, there are many other proposals out there that would be better for Ukraine to win, but as of yet, this is the only potential one on the table that actually yields a Ukranian victory with their homeland intact. Until another nation does that, then what do you really want?
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
mrstickball said:
And the simple solution to having avoided this was..... Any western European leader showing a backbone and supporting Ukraine so the Russians would have lost by now. Europeans funded the bombs and bullets to kill Ukranians and did literally nothing for Ukranians after the annexation of Crimea. How could any deal or trade for the support needed to win be the fault of Trump or the US when Europe has slow-walked their support, ignored NATO funding for decades, then magically decided that they gotta do more now? Yes, there are many other proposals out there that would be better for Ukraine to win, but as of yet, this is the only potential one on the table that actually yields a Ukranian victory with their homeland intact. Until another nation does that, then what do you really want? |
Why are you laying all the blame on Western Europe? America could have shown a backbone too, Poland, the Baltics and Nordics have all shown a bigger backbone than both Western Europe and America.
And I do agree that Western Europe has been too cowardly but don't kid yourself that America has been any better; It was UK who broke the taboo of sending Western MBTs whilst America debated, it was UK and France who broke the taboo of sending Long-Range Missiles whilst America debated (and still didn't, for months), it was UK who was first to send ATGMs. To date, it is only Europe who have sent F-16s to Ukraine.
It was UK and France who for months were literally begging America to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow/SCALP on Russia, missiles which both UK and France created and own, it was America blocking it and threatening to withhold key components or support to Ukraine if we allowed Ukraine to use our own damn missiles as we saw fit. In fact UK has been a stronger supporter of Ukraine than most since as far back as Crimea's invasion.
America's too funded those bombs and bullets that killed Ukrainians and America's too did nothing for Ukrainians after Russia stole Crimea, despite the fact that United Kingdom and United States signed the Budapest Memorandum, that thing where Ukraine surrendered their nukes in exchange for security guarantees? Where were America's security guarantees? We have all failed Ukraine, not just Western Europe.
My criticism is that America plundering Ukraine in exchange for protection is abhorrent, it's Mafia shit, it's extortion. Without America's support, Ukraine will fall, I don't like that Europe is not ready but the fact is they aren't ready. We should be supporting Ukraine simply because it's the right thing to do, not because we want to line our pockets which is what Trump wants to do.
Fact is the majority of "aid" sent to Ukraine by America doesn't even leave America, it stays in America, it is used to build new weapons, it is used to resupply America's own military with newer equipment, whilst Ukraine receives the old stuff which was destined for scrap anyway, it provided American manufacturing jobs, it is already beneficial for America to support Ukraine but now they want more.
Just take Russia's frozen assets FFS instead of pillaging Ukraine.
It is the only potential one on the table because Trump is the one who made it the only potential one on the table, he could still support Ukraine without pillaging the country but since Donald Trump is a heartless bastard and I know there's no alterative, I would bitterly swallow that pill and hope that a future President rips that shit up. How the hell is Ukraine meant to recover post-war if someone is taking all their resources? America sure as shit won't help them, so it's on Europe to invest 100s of billions into restoring Ukraine is it?
You say Western Europe ignored NATO funding for decades but the issue with complaints like these, people act like Eastern Europe doesn't exist, what about those countries? Do they not get any credit at all? Why is it all about Western Europe? Why should Eastern Europe suffer because of Western Europe AND America's lack of conviction?
Poland actually spends more on their military by GDP % than America does and every Baltic Country already hits the 2% threshold, the UK also hits the 2% threshold. Nowadays 23/32 NATO countries hit the 2% threshold. Including Germany. Probably the only relevant ones left are Spain, Italy and France although I don't know how France which has the largest military in Europe isn't hitting 2%.
But I've said time and time again that everyone should do more, nobody is doing enough aside from Poland, Baltics and Nordics.
America is #16 in terms of support as a % of GDP which puts them below...
Europe as a whole has sent more aid than United States and that's not to mention the millions of war migrants we have to take in.
The only countries I would refuse to criticise would be Poland, The Baltics and The Nordics.
America and Western Europe both share blame, both could do a lot more.
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Ryuu96 said:
Why are you laying all the blame on Western Europe? America could have shown a backbone too, Poland, the Baltics and Nordics have all shown a bigger backbone than both Western Europe and America. And I do agree that Western Europe has been too cowardly but don't kid yourself that America has been any better; It was UK who broke the taboo of sending Western MBTs whilst America debated, it was UK and France who broke the taboo of sending Long-Range Missiles whilst America debated (and still didn't, for months), it was UK who was first to send ATGMs. To date, it is only Europe who have sent F-16s to Ukraine. It was UK and France who for months were literally begging America to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow/SCALP on Russia, missiles which both UK and France created and own, it was America blocking it and threatening to withhold key components or support to Ukraine if we allowed Ukraine to use our own damn missiles as we saw fit. In fact UK has been a stronger supporter of Ukraine than most since as far back as Crimea's invasion. America's too funded those bombs and bullets that killed Ukrainians and America's too did nothing for Ukrainians after Russia stole Crimea, despite the fact that United Kingdom and United States signed the Budapest Memorandum, that thing where Ukraine surrendered their nukes in exchange for security guarantees? Where were America's security guarantees? We have all failed Ukraine, not just Western Europe. My criticism is that America plundering Ukraine in exchange for protection is abhorrent, it's Mafia shit, it's extortion. Without America's support, Ukraine will fall, I don't like that Europe is not ready but the fact is they aren't ready. We should be supporting Ukraine simply because it's the right thing to do, not because we want to line our pockets which is what Trump wants to do. Fact is the majority of "aid" sent to Ukraine by America doesn't even leave America, it stays in America, it is used to build new weapons, it is used to resupply America's own military with newer equipment, whilst Ukraine receives the old stuff which was destined for scrap anyway, it provided American manufacturing jobs, it is already beneficial for America to support Ukraine but now they want more. Just take Russia's frozen assets FFS instead of pillaging Ukraine. It is the only potential one on the table because Trump is the one who made it the only potential one on the table, he could still support Ukraine without pillaging the country but since Donald Trump is a heartless bastard and I know there's no alterative, I would bitterly swallow that pill and hope that a future President rips that shit up. How the hell is Ukraine meant to recover post-war if someone is taking all their resources? America sure as shit won't help them, so it's on Europe to invest 100s of billions into restoring Ukraine is it? You say Western Europe ignored NATO funding for decades but the issue with complaints like these, people act like Eastern Europe doesn't exist, what about those countries? Do they not get any credit at all? Why is it all about Western Europe? Why should Eastern Europe suffer because of Western Europe AND America's lack of conviction? Poland actually spends more on their military by GDP % than America does and every Baltic Country already hits the 2% threshold, the UK also hits the 2% threshold. Nowadays 23/32 NATO countries hit the 2% threshold. Including Germany. Probably the only relevant ones left are Spain, Italy and France although I don't know how France which has the largest military in Europe isn't hitting 2%. But I've said time and time again that everyone should do more, nobody is doing enough aside from Poland, Baltics and Nordics. America is #16 in terms of support as a % of GDP which puts them below...
Europe as a whole has sent more aid than United States and that's not to mention the millions of war migrants we have to take in. The only countries I would refuse to criticise would be Poland, The Baltics and The Nordics. America and Western Europe both share blame, both could do a lot more. |
I think that there is a disconnect here and that this is stemming from the fact that you are bring an idealist while at the same time knowing the poor character of the orange guy. It is certainly abhorrent but what is also true is that these unfair treaties and necessary aid won't last more than a few years. So the problem will fix itself. And Ukraine 🇺🇦 will no doubt be generously supplied with aid for rebuilding.
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