| IcaroRibeiro said: It's amusing this thread just keep going |
This is how VGChartz used to be when it was active.
Endless threads and comments arguing over nothing just because they are on the other "side".
| Farsala said: This is how VGChartz used to be when it was active. Endless threads and comments arguing over nothing just because they are on the other "side". |
Well this thread is actually entertaining, even if somewhat pointless. Let's make VG Chartz great again
Ryuu96 said:
1. Agreed, if Microsoft also manages their groups well, it will be good for the developers and the industry. Yup to the other part too, Microsoft acquiring a publisher isn't automatically anti-competitive. 2. I do not believe Tencent provides a breakdown of what makes them what, they instead shove Gaming related stuff into "Value-Added Services" which includes non-Gaming stuff but I may be wrong and there is a breakdown somewhere. They still have some massive Console/PC IPs either way too. Tencent owns about 40% of Epic and won't be able to get a majority unless Tim sells so Epic is fine for now.
3. They don't need to provide sales or a breakdown, Lol. They do for a court and screwed up there in helping Epic but outside of court it's irrelevant. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say Tbh, Game Pass is so good of a deal that it's illegal? Lol. 4. Good for Sony? They've also closed studios too though, Microsoft has closed studios, Microsoft has acquired studios they have a close relationship with such as Undead Labs, Playground Games, etc. It was even said that Double Fine's Tim Schaffer spoke to Bonnie Ross (Head of 343) cause they're good friends and have worked together in the past. The industry isn't just what you can see from your computer monitor. There's zero indication that any of Microsoft's recent acquisitions were unhappy joining them, quite the opposite, take a look at Brian Fargo for example who literally chose not to retire because Microsoft acquired InXile, the studios are very happy as of right now from what we can see. Even Bethesda has a long history of being close with Xbox, not in an exclusive sense recently but they do have a good relationship with them and that is very obvious even on the surface, none of these studios were forced to sell, they could have sold to anyone, especially in the current buyers market. Yes, I know about Bungie, we all know about Bungie, we all agree Xbox screwed up by not convincing them to stay but that was very different management and you make it sound like something awful went on, when no, Bungie wanted to do a new IP, Xbox didn't want to fund it, so they separated and went their separate ways, as simple as that, Microsoft screwed up financially by not funding it but Bungie has shown zero signs of disliking Xbox. In fact Phil and Bungie's CEO are very good friends... |
1. No, because the big pubs buying each other is not good for the industry, unless there really is no buyer, especially as platform holders. Its escalation, and its just going to result in Xbox players losing out on more games or DLCs etc.
2. If you look at their portfolio, IP, we have data on said IP revenues, so its easy to see. A good chunk of the gaming industry now depend on how many billions Tim Sweeney wishes to cash out on......
3. It speaks volumes on how scared they are to divulge such crucial data, let alone bring it to court. They better hope there are no lawsuits coming their way like Apple vs Epic, all that data is going to be public.
4. MS has been here for like 20 years......my point has been made.
What? Who buys Bethesda is based on who the owners of Bethesda wanted to bought buy not the devs. The founder was looking to cash in for years before MS, so he probably wanted whoever had the biggest cheque.
You are massively simplifying how MS mismanaged their golden goose to the extent that the entire studio wanted to leave but its good to hear the new management haven't held any grudges.
IcaroRibeiro said:
Well this thread is actually entertaining, even if somewhat pointless. Let's make VG Chartz great again |
Ha, yeah I miss the Forza vs GT wars, the halo killer threads, delay station, ps3 has no gamez, ninty is doomed.
What are we arguing about in here anyway? Tencent, Embracer group?
I can see Microsoft going for another publisher down the line. However, if Sony is willing to buy a publisher, I don't think Microsoft can monopolize the video game industry without purchasing one of Take Two, EA or Activision.
And yes, I think Sony will purchase a major publisher, 18+ Billion for entertainment investments would be excessive if they were going after a company like Lionsgate, or even if they planned to buy a ton (8 -10+) of smaller studios. The head of Sony Pictures Entertainment speculates the video game industry being consolidated, which is an interesting statement to make, since I'm assuming a person of his position would know where Sony's focus is for their midrange plan.
LudicrousSpeed said:
Nintendo had a monopoly? I don’t think you understand what that word means, lol. Also the PlayStation came about as a result of a failed partnership between Nintendo and Sony to make.. you guessed it, a CD based add on for the SNES. Why do I care about Saturn sales versus N64? Saturn came out before PSone and was disc based. So your idea that Sony started a disc revolution in the fifth (?) gen is wrong. Not sure why you’re harping on hardware profits, Sony and MS both eat hardware losses and launch and eventually start selling hardware for profits. Either way they make up more than enough to offset it via software and services. I assume you’re referencing the Apple vs Fortnite stuff, this was all explained clear as day in all the articles IIRC. Dropping that grade to a D- |
Unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about.
The videogame business is more than just hardware sold, software can make more if not multiple times more revenue. SEGA was utterly dominated by Nintendo in total software sales.
I find it truly hilarious how some of you act like know it all's while completely differing from reality.
Because no one cares if SEGA had a CD drive, Nintendo had a monopoly and everyone would follow. Hence Sony saving an entire generation of regression. Also love how you completely ignore my other points (engineering hardware, chip design, software sdk, marketing).
MS admitted that Xbox hardware has never made a profit. LMAO you can't get a single thing right.
Mnementh said:
What the fuck is "high end gaming"? Did you just dismiss the fastest growing gaming sector with that comment? I don't get it. Yeah, you are a super-duper high-end gamer on a non-mobile platform. But you know, people playing with "low end" platforms don't care, they just enjoy their games. Kinda feels like a monk working on manually copying foliants dismissing the Gutenberg-printed Bible as low end. |
AAA gaming, AA gaming, primarily console games. If you can't understand the difference in business models, in game economics, software development and IP between the two....then I have no words.
Im not sure what srcs point is why would you separate hw and software rev?
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src said:
Unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about. The videogame business is more than just hardware sold, software can make more if not multiple times more revenue. SEGA was utterly dominated by Nintendo in total software sales. I find it truly hilarious how some of you act like know it all's while completely differing from reality.
Because no one cares if SEGA had a CD drive, Nintendo had a monopoly and everyone would follow. Hence Sony saving an entire generation of regression. Also love how you completely ignore my other points (engineering hardware, chip design, software sdk, marketing). MS admitted that Xbox hardware has never made a profit. LMAO you can't get a single thing right. |
Again, you don’t understand what a monopoly is. Nintendo having much higher revenue doesn’t mean there was a monopoly. They also had the Game Boy selling tons of units and software. They were also much smarter with their money than Sega. There’s a reason Sega ran out of money and became a software company.
I didn’t ignore any points you made, they simply aren’t relevant. You’re claiming the industry would have had an entire generation of cartridges without PlayStation, I merely corrected you. And you think Sony is somehow responsible for the boom in gaming that was coming along anyway, I simply corrected you. Is Sony also responsible for the boom in mobile gaming? You seem to be wanting to credit them for everything. They got publishers on board by writing checks and cutting licensing fees. This is common knowledge. But spending money is only bad if certain companies do it, we know this.
Not sure why you’re still going on about Xbox hardware. You do realize MS makes tons of revenue from Xbox, right? How much do you think they lose on hardware? What a stupid point to try and argue.
Qwark said:
They could afford both at the same time. Though if hurting the competition is their main aim they should buy Japanese studio's just for exclusivity. Not that the games will sell well on Xbox, they will do fine on pc. They will simply hurt the competition. Just look at how Tales of Arise sold on PlayStation platforms and on Xbox platforms. They won't sell much better in Xbox if they are exclusive (pc will get a significant boost probably), but PlayStation will lose much if it's shine if games like those disappeared from their platform. Buying EAir FIFA also could really hurt Sony. But those moves won't have the highest return on investment it's more bullying than anything else. |
If they bought EA and Activision and kept all their IP to themselves, that would mean that suddenly, Madden, FIFA, COD and Battlefield (among other things) were all Xbox exclusives. Can you imagine? It would be armageddon! People would be losing their collective minds lol.
| Mnementh said: Wow, I am surprised at the amount of FUD and other bullshit and concern trolling directed at the XBox community. Seeing this much hostility directed towards them I wonder how Xbox fans remain on this site. |
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