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Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

But man, the few it runs are mostly playable. People basically just need two devices. A Xbox One for the most demanding games ever created. And a low end PC to play point and click games.

Or just a PC that can simply run everything. All Xbox games release on PC anyway.

Nah, a Series S. Cheap and runs Tekken 7. And some other less impressive games at 60 fps...



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My 1060 in my laptop feels old but damn man that intel GPU seems worse than my 2012 backup Laptop in a drawer with an old 660M Nvidia.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Or just a PC that can simply run everything. All Xbox games release on PC anyway.

Nah, a Series S. Cheap and runs Tekken 7. And some other less impressive games at 60 fps...

Series S can't run 30+ years worth of games though... No optical disk drive for those with Xbox/Xbox 360/Xbox One physical games and only has a tiny 364GB of usable SSD space.
You also can't run older games at 4k which you could on a PC specced with the same specifications.

It's cheap for a reason and obviously the Op doesn't wish to spend the extra money, they would rather use the hardware they already have.

I don't think it's appropriate for you to be turning this into a Console vs PC derailed debate anyway.

Leynos said:

My 1060 in my laptop feels old but damn man that intel GPU seems worse than my 2012 backup Laptop in a drawer with an old 660M Nvidia.

The 1060 has definitely held it's own over the years, but it's definitely getting on in age, but it's still capable at 1080P.

Intel Integrated graphics tend to be the worst of the worst as far as graphics capabilities go, it's probably more of a testament to the Tekken developers than Intel on how well it runs.


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ireadtabloids said:

Part of it is that you don’t have a dedicated graphics card/GPU. The integrated Intel GPU is weaker than GTX 660 and 750 Ti.

^ this.

Intel HD graphics 530 is really weak.
its basically not for gameing.


AMD has some APUs (3200/3400) that with fast dual channel ram (and slight igpu oc), can beat Geforce 1030's and go about equal to the 750ti.
Apart from those, you really dont want to be gameing on a igpu. Also even then, its usually just 900p-1080p, and low-medium settings.

In about a months time, the 5600G and 5700G are launching, so you can buy those (not just through OEMs).
With how crazy GPU prices are atm, honestly for low budgets, the 5600G looks attractive.



JRPGfan said:
ireadtabloids said:

Part of it is that you don’t have a dedicated graphics card/GPU. The integrated Intel GPU is weaker than GTX 660 and 750 Ti.

^ this.

Intel HD graphics 530 is really weak.
its basically not for gameing.


AMD has some APUs (3200/3400) that with fast dual channel ram (and slight igpu oc), can beat Geforce 1030's and go about equal to the 750ti.
Apart from those, you really dont want to be gameing on a igpu. Also even then, its usually just 900p-1080p, and low-medium settings.

In about a months time, the 5600G and 5700G are launching, so you can buy those (not just through OEMs).
With how crazy GPU prices are atm, honestly for low budgets, the 5600G looks attractive.

Yeah. This pretty much sums it up.

Also part of the reason why IGP's are starting to beat the Geforce 1030 is pretty simple. Memory bandwidth.

The 1030 has 16.8GB/s of bandwidth (DDR4) to 48GB/s (GDDR5).
Today Dual-Channel DDR4 3200Mhz memory can provide 51.2GB/s of bandwidth and dual channel 3800Mhz memory is offering around 60GB/s... Which definitely gives the relatively potent compute capabilities of Vega integrated graphics the fillrate kick it needs to step up over the Geforce 1030.

Things will also improve once DDR5 rolls around where "low-end garbage" DDR5 4800mhz DRAM should provide 76.8GB/s of banwidth... With DDR5 8400 DRAM pushing out 136GB/s which is around the sweet spot for 1080P gaming.

But considering he already has a PC, it doesn't make sense to throw it all out and buy the 5600G anyway, CPU prices are also inflated, might as well grab a cheap Radeon RX 570 and wait it out.



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Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Nah, a Series S. Cheap and runs Tekken 7. And some other less impressive games at 60 fps...

Series S can't run 30+ years worth of games though... No optical disk drive for those with Xbox/Xbox 360/Xbox One physical games and only has a tiny 364GB of usable SSD space.
You also can't run older games at 4k which you could on a PC specced with the same specifications.

It's cheap for a reason and obviously the Op doesn't wish to spend the extra money, they would rather use the hardware they already have.

I don't think it's appropriate for you to be turning this into a Console vs PC derailed debate anyway.

You took me way more serious than I anticipated.



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Pemalite said:
JRPGfan said:

^ this.

Intel HD graphics 530 is really weak.
its basically not for gameing.


AMD has some APUs (3200/3400) that with fast dual channel ram (and slight igpu oc), can beat Geforce 1030's and go about equal to the 750ti.
Apart from those, you really dont want to be gameing on a igpu. Also even then, its usually just 900p-1080p, and low-medium settings.

In about a months time, the 5600G and 5700G are launching, so you can buy those (not just through OEMs).
With how crazy GPU prices are atm, honestly for low budgets, the 5600G looks attractive.

Yeah. This pretty much sums it up.

Also part of the reason why IGP's are starting to beat the Geforce 1030 is pretty simple. Memory bandwidth.

The 1030 has 16.8GB/s of bandwidth (DDR4) to 48GB/s (GDDR5).
Today Dual-Channel DDR4 3200Mhz memory can provide 51.2GB/s of bandwidth and dual channel 3800Mhz memory is offering around 60GB/s... Which definitely gives the relatively potent compute capabilities of Vega integrated graphics the fillrate kick it needs to step up over the Geforce 1030.

Things will also improve once DDR5 rolls around where "low-end garbage" DDR5 4800mhz DRAM should provide 76.8GB/s of banwidth... With DDR5 8400 DRAM pushing out 136GB/s which is around the sweet spot for 1080P gaming.

But considering he already has a PC, it doesn't make sense to throw it all out and buy the 5600G anyway, CPU prices are also inflated, might as well grab a cheap Radeon RX 570 and wait it out.

Also stuff like Infinity Cache that AMD is useing on its RX 6000 series.
This makes its 256bit bus, perform above its level, when it comes to memory bandwidth.

Stuff like that could be integrated into a APU.
Along with Fidelity FX (upscaleing techniques).... APUs are gonna grow in terms of market share in future (imo).

APU could kill off the lowend of GPUs in future.
I know we ve been saying it forever, and its taken its sweet time, but it looks like its finally about to happend.



JRPGfan said:
Pemalite said:

Yeah. This pretty much sums it up.

Also part of the reason why IGP's are starting to beat the Geforce 1030 is pretty simple. Memory bandwidth.

The 1030 has 16.8GB/s of bandwidth (DDR4) to 48GB/s (GDDR5).
Today Dual-Channel DDR4 3200Mhz memory can provide 51.2GB/s of bandwidth and dual channel 3800Mhz memory is offering around 60GB/s... Which definitely gives the relatively potent compute capabilities of Vega integrated graphics the fillrate kick it needs to step up over the Geforce 1030.

Things will also improve once DDR5 rolls around where "low-end garbage" DDR5 4800mhz DRAM should provide 76.8GB/s of banwidth... With DDR5 8400 DRAM pushing out 136GB/s which is around the sweet spot for 1080P gaming.

But considering he already has a PC, it doesn't make sense to throw it all out and buy the 5600G anyway, CPU prices are also inflated, might as well grab a cheap Radeon RX 570 and wait it out.

Also stuff like Infinity Cache that AMD is useing on its RX 6000 series.
This makes its 256bit bus, perform above its level, when it comes to memory bandwidth.

Stuff like that could be integrated into a APU.
Along with Fidelity FX (upscaleing techniques).... APUs are gonna grow in terms of market share in future (imo).

APU could kill off the lowend of GPUs in future.
I know we ve been saying it forever, and its taken its sweet time, but it looks like its finally about to happend.

Cost will likely be the biggest hindrance to infinity cache on an APU.

But yeah, since AMD debuted it's Fusion initiative when everyone thought HUMA was the second coming of Jesus on the PS4/AMD APU's, they thought low-end GPU's were going to get replaced.

Rather, what -will- happen is we will get faster low-end GPU's to compete and we will all win.



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I’ve noticed Nvidia and AMD not releasing lower tiers of dedicated GPUs like they used to.
Nvidia didn’t release anything below 1650 last generation.
The previous generation bottomed out at 1030, and the generation before that was 910/920.



ireadtabloids said:

I’ve noticed Nvidia and AMD not releasing lower tiers of dedicated GPUs like they used to.
Nvidia didn’t release anything below 1650 last generation.
The previous generation bottomed out at 1030, and the generation before that was 910/920.

Unlike a few years ago... Integrated graphics are no longer integrated into the motherboard chipset, but rather is a CPU feature... And Intel and AMD still sell 10's of millions of processors without Integrated graphics.

In nVidia's case, they didn't see the need to release a GPU lower than the 1650/RTX lineup as the Pascal based 1030 and 1050 were still selling and filling those roles. (And nVidia is still manufacturing and supporting them.)
Heck even Geforce 710 GPU's are still being released.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15713/asus-launches-an-old-gpu-the-nvidia-gt-710-with-four-hdmi-ports

In AMD's case they did release the Radeon 5300XT... With the RX520, 530, 540 and 550 still being around in places.

Manufacturing and DRAM just hasn't gotten to a point where those low-end GPU's can get any value-added improvements sadly, especially on a congested 7nm process, but that will change in time.




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