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src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

If SMTV come to ps4, then P5R must come to Switch in exchange, and Switch also have Night of Azure 2

Doesn't work like that. They are different teams and deals.  

And? Where are SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey on ps4 then?



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src said:
Kai_Mao said:

Koei Tecmo can probably thank Nintendo Switch for some of its contributions to their recent success.

Thanks to games like:

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3

Alteiler Ryza

Fire Emblem Three Houses

Attack on Titan 2

And Fairy Tail and Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate


We’ll just have to see how the upcoming years pan out for PS5 in Japan.

whether you care or not, the Switch is the dominant console in Japan and only the corona virus has affected sales as production of all consoles (even possibly the upcoming consoles) have slowed down. 

Kai_Mao said:

Koei Tecmo can probably thank Nintendo Switch for some of its contributions to their recent success.

Thanks to games like:

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3

Alteiler Ryza

Fire Emblem Three Houses

Attack on Titan 2

And Fairy Tail and Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate


We’ll just have to see how the upcoming years pan out for PS5 in Japan.

whether you care or not, the Switch is the dominant console in Japan and only the corona virus has affected sales as production of all consoles (even possibly the upcoming consoles) have slowed down. 

Most of the games you listed are multiplatform. Games like Atelier, did way better on PS4 than SW. 

You're also missing KT's biggest hit in its entire history: Nioh. 

Multiplatform or not, that's not my point.

My point is that whatever Koei Tecmo released on Switch in Japan, they have found success. Doing worse than PS4 shouldn't be an insult or a negative towards the Switch. The games are doing well on Switch. Selling worse than another console shouldn't mean jack without context. Consider the developers/publishers' expectations, percentage of stock being sold, sales legs, etc.

Also, as of now, Fire Emblem Three Houses appears to be not far behind Nioh in the sales department with 2.58 million sold worldwide as of December 2019 and likely received a sales boost thanks to Byleth's inclusion into Smash Bros. Ultimate and the recent release of the new story DLC for Three Houses.



animegaming said:
src said:

Most of the games you listed are multiplatform. Games like Atelier, did way better on PS4 than SW. 

You're also missing KT's biggest hit in its entire history: Nioh. 

You straight up moved the goal post, because Koei is pretty happy with their Switch sales otherwise they wouldn't keep porting games to the system. 

Hell they said this back when the Switch was only a few months old and they only had a few games on their

https://gonintendo.com/stories/294156-koei-tecmo-extremely-happy-with-their-switch-game-sales-believ

We also only know their platform split in Japan, every other country is unknown. But its very safe to assume their games worldwide sell great on Switch.

No I didn't. I'm simply adding to your post that the success of Atelier is largely due to the PS4 not the SW. 

HoangNhatAnh said:
src said:

Doesn't work like that. They are different teams and deals.  

And? Where are SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey on ps4 then?

Those are 3DS games lol

Kai_Mao said:
src said:

Most of the games you listed are multiplatform. Games like Atelier, did way better on PS4 than SW. 

You're also missing KT's biggest hit in its entire history: Nioh. 

Multiplatform or not, that's not my point.

My point is that whatever Koei Tecmo released on Switch in Japan, they have found success. Doing worse than PS4 shouldn't be an insult or a negative towards the Switch. The games are doing well on Switch. Selling worse than another console shouldn't mean jack without context. Consider the developers/publishers' expectations, percentage of stock being sold, sales legs, etc.

Also, as of now, Fire Emblem Three Houses appears to be not far behind Nioh in the sales department with 2.58 million sold worldwide as of December 2019 and likely received a sales boost thanks to Byleth's inclusion into Smash Bros. Ultimate and the recent release of the new story DLC for Three Houses.

SW has a larger userbase and the sales for those games are considerably worse than PS4 in Japan. That alone should tell you where the audience is at for those games at that moment. 

Fire Emblem Three Houses is a Nintendo game. KT are just devs on a contract. Nearly every dev these days outsources some part of their pipeline to other devs, that doesn't make the game said devs' game. 



src said:
animegaming said:

You straight up moved the goal post, because Koei is pretty happy with their Switch sales otherwise they wouldn't keep porting games to the system. 

Hell they said this back when the Switch was only a few months old and they only had a few games on their

https://gonintendo.com/stories/294156-koei-tecmo-extremely-happy-with-their-switch-game-sales-believ

We also only know their platform split in Japan, every other country is unknown. But its very safe to assume their games worldwide sell great on Switch.

No I didn't. I'm simply adding to your post that the success of Atelier is largely due to the PS4 not the SW. 

HoangNhatAnh said:

And? Where are SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey on ps4 then?

Those are 3DS games lol

Kai_Mao said:

Multiplatform or not, that's not my point.

My point is that whatever Koei Tecmo released on Switch in Japan, they have found success. Doing worse than PS4 shouldn't be an insult or a negative towards the Switch. The games are doing well on Switch. Selling worse than another console shouldn't mean jack without context. Consider the developers/publishers' expectations, percentage of stock being sold, sales legs, etc.

Also, as of now, Fire Emblem Three Houses appears to be not far behind Nioh in the sales department with 2.58 million sold worldwide as of December 2019 and likely received a sales boost thanks to Byleth's inclusion into Smash Bros. Ultimate and the recent release of the new story DLC for Three Houses.

SW has a larger userbase and the sales for those games are considerably worse than PS4 in Japan. That alone should tell you where the audience is at for those games at that moment. 

Fire Emblem Three Houses is a Nintendo game. KT are just devs on a contract. Nearly every dev these days outsources some part of their pipeline to other devs, that doesn't make the game said devs' game. 

Well some of these franchises have made their mark on PlayStation primarily before the Switch was a thing so it’s not surprising. So what you’re concluding is that devs should just not care about the Switch in Japan anymore at this point because Switch sales of their games are worse than PS4?

also, KT mentioned Fire Emblem Three Houses in their Fall Quarter report (alongside Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3) so its identified as part of their lineup last year, along with Nintendo. Also, a majority of Three Houses’ development was done by KT.



src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

And? Where are SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey on ps4 then?

Those are 3DS games lol

Exactly, and SMTV is Switch game, no more no less



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HoangNhatAnh said:
src said:

Those are 3DS games lol

Exactly, and SMTV is Switch game, no more no less

For now.



src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Exactly, and SMTV is Switch game, no more no less

For now.

Yeah, just like SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey are 3ds so far



src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Exactly, and SMTV is Switch game, no more no less

For now.

This is Atlus we are talking about, there is a good chance its probably not leaving Switch considering Atlus rarely makes multiplats and none of their games ever seem to be timed exclusive. 



HoangNhatAnh said:
src said:

For now.

Yeah, just like SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey are 3ds so far

Old released games. SMTV has not even released yet.

animegaming said:
src said:

For now.

This is Atlus we are talking about, there is a good chance its probably not leaving Switch considering Atlus rarely makes multiplats and none of their games ever seem to be timed exclusive. 

Atlus is always hard to predict. We will have to see, maybe they'll look at the 3.2 million Persona sales on Playstation and decided to put SMTV on it as well.



src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Yeah, just like SMTIV, IV Apocalypse and Strange Journey are 3ds so far

Old released games. SMTV has not even released yet.

animegaming said:

This is Atlus we are talking about, there is a good chance its probably not leaving Switch considering Atlus rarely makes multiplats and none of their games ever seem to be timed exclusive. 

Atlus is always hard to predict. We will have to see, maybe they'll look at the 3.2 million Persona sales on Playstation and decided to put SMTV on it as well.

Considering they haven't even ported Persona to Switch or PC, both platforms that a decent size JRPG fanbase, I don't see that happening.

EDIT

Hell Persona 4 Golden hasn't even escaped the Vita and there is no definitive version of Persona 3 yet, hell they won't even re-release the original releases on the PS4 viva its PS2 emulator. If anything Atlus in general doesn't see much interest in even porting its backcatelogue to any modern system which is arguably a bigger deal and more baffling then SMTV not being on PS4 or Persona 5 not being on Switch, despite the success of Persona 5 and SMT4.

Last edited by animegaming - on 01 March 2020