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US is gonna hit 100k today isnt it? Its only 700 away.
Its a monday so the small dip in testing during the weekend (sat,sun) will be gone, and it'll have more than 1k deaths again.

Also holy cow at Brazil's poor testing.
They have only tested like 700,000 people in a 212+ million country.
And they found 365,000+ confirmed cases.

That means more than half the people they test, are actually infected.
WHO said a meassure of good testing, was testing enough to find 1 infected pr 10 tested.
Basically Brazil is only testing 1/5th the amount it needs (or less than that).
You have no idea how many are actually infected with their current dat, because of the poor testing.

I assumed Brazil was a more wealthy country than say Mexico, india.. ect.
But their testing is basically just as bad.

This is like that situation in Mexico were reported mortality is likely only 1/8th or something of its actual number.
However even mexico is doing better with testing than Brazil! O_o  (their only finding 1/3 of the people they test infected)

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 25 May 2020

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/exclusive-big-pharma-rejected-eu-plan-to-fast-track-vaccines-in-2017

Big pharma rejected EU plan to fast-track vaccines in 2017

"The world’s largest pharmaceutical companies rejected an EU proposal three years ago to work on fast-tracking vaccines for pathogens like coronavirus to allow them to be developed before an outbreak,"

"The plan to speed up the development and approval of vaccines was put forward by European commission representatives sitting on the Innovative Medicines Initiative (IMI) – a public-private partnership whose function is to back cutting-edge research in Europe – but it was rejected by industry partners on the body."

"A global lack of preparedness for the coronavirus pandemic has already led to accusations in recent weeks that the pharmaceutical industry has failed to prioritise treatments for infectious diseases because they are less profitable than chronic medical conditions."


EU : "Hey big pharma, do any of you guys wanna work for us? we ll fund your research, into these virus that sorta worry us"
Big Parma : "Nah dog, Ain't enough money in that sort of research, we're busy working on these chronic medical conditions"



JRPGfan said:

US is gonna hit 100k today isnt it? Its only 700 away.
Its a monday so the small dip in testing during the weekend (sat,sun) will be gone, and it'll have more than 1k deaths again.

Also holy cow at Brazil's poor testing.
They have only tested like 700,000 people in a 212+ million country.
And they found 365,000+ confirmed cases.

That means more than half the people they test, are actually infected.
WHO said a meassure of good testing, was testing enough to find 1 infected pr 10 tested.
Basically Brazil is only testing 1/5th the amount it needs (or less than that).
You have no idea how many are actually infected with their current dat, because of the poor testing.

I assumed Brazil was a more wealthy country than say Mexico, india.. ect.
But their testing is basically just as bad.

This is like that situation in Mexico were reported mortality is likely only 1/8th or something of its actual number.
However even mexico is doing better with testing than Brazil! O_o  (their only finding 1/3 of the people they test infected)

Yeah 100K total deaths today in the USA :/
North America is a few days away from taken over as the worst hit continent.
Brazil a few days or maybe a week away from taken over the USA for most cases per day.

3 day averages atm are (with the weekend dip)

World: 101.6K new cases per day, 110% week over week
South America: 27,7K per day,  131% week over week (Brazil 17.6K per day, 135% week over week)
North America: 27.5K per day, 99.1% week over week (USA 21.9K per day, 95.8% week over week)
Europe: 17.8K new cases per day, 83.8% week over week (Russia 8.9K per day, 89.7% week over week)


With better testing Brazil would likely already be ahead. Testing in the USA or rather counting also needs to handled better.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6980827/coronavirus-cdc-test-data-confusion/
Different ways of reporting, lumping different kinds of test results together to make the decline look better, manipulating numbers to favor re-openings etc.

Here they now want to blame the people for not getting tested lol

https://globalnews.ca/news/6972132/ontario-coronavirus-testing-public/

The Ontario government has been under fire for not reaching its daily benchmark for coronavirus testing often enough, but health officials have now hinted that the public may also share the blame.

People can now get tested if they have less severe ‘typical’ symptoms like runny nose, sore throat and nausea — but can also qualify if they feel ‘atypical’ symptoms, such as headaches, an unexplained fast heart rate, unexplained falls, fatigue or even pink eye. Ontario’s chief medical officer Dr. David Williams suggested Thursday that the public might not be aware of the expanded criteria for testing and the government needs to do a better job of communicating it.

Testing centers have continued to send people away that did not fit the profile. Now far less people feel like there's any point in getting tested. Anti body tests are also not available, just the nasal swab. Finding mild community cases is still off the agenda... Front line workers and people at risk do still get tested plenty, with about 400 new detected cases a day out of 11K tests a day.




JRPGfan said:

EU : "Hey big pharma, do any of you guys wanna work for us? we ll fund your research, into these virus that sorta worry us"
Big Parma : "Nah dog, Ain't enough money in that sort of research, we're busy working on these chronic medical conditions"

Typical white trash US citizen: "Hey, I got a pimple from your med. Class action lawsuit! Class action lawsuit!! Ruin that big pharma company!!!"

Threre is a reason getting a med (more or less safely) to the market takes time.



Considering there have been numerous recalls of popular allergy and cholesterol medication I too would second guess anything big pharma is trying to shove down my throat. You guys go ahead and swallow all the pills your doctors were probably bribed into subscribing. Sometimes it is better to do a little research into side effects. I know they read them so fast on their television ads it might be hard to keep up.



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sethnintendo said:
Considering there have been numerous recalls of popular allergy and cholesterol medication I too would second guess anything big pharma is trying to shove down my throat. You guys go ahead and swallow all the pills your doctors were probably bribed into subscribing. Sometimes it is better to do a little research into side effects. I know they read them so fast on their television ads it might be hard to keep up.

"You guys go ahead and swallow all the pills your doctors were probably bribed into subscribing."

This is exactly why the health care system shouldn't be privatised and run like a business.
Corporate greed, can be dangerous when its centered around health. 
When its your own health, you dont want to be profit maximised, or recieve some medicine you only got because your doctor was bribed to recammend.


"Sometimes it is better to do a little research into side effects. I know they read them so fast on their television ads it might be hard to keep up."

You guys have ads on tv for medicine that mentions side effects in the ad itself? O_o'
That sounds super weird.



RolStoppable said:
JRPGfan said:

"You guys go ahead and swallow all the pills your doctors were probably bribed into subscribing."

This is exactly why the health care system shouldn't be privatised and run like a business.
Corporate greed, can be dangerous when its centered around health. 
When its your own health, you dont want to be profit maximised, or recieve some medicine you only got because your doctor was bribed to recammend.


"Sometimes it is better to do a little research into side effects. I know they read them so fast on their television ads it might be hard to keep up."

You guys have ads on tv for medicine that mentions side effects in the ad itself? O_o'
That sounds super weird.

They do. NFL broadcasts regularly have ads for products against erectile dysfunction and the narrator mentions so many side effects that I am always anticipating that even death will be mentioned at the end.

That sounds super awkard... esp if your in a family setting, and sitting down watching a game together and such a ad comes on.
The silly side effects stuff mentioned atleast might make such a ad fun first few times.

Here we also have ads, and sometimes their targeted at men too, but not really for medicin.
Theres more ads for like aftershave, cars, razors, clothes, watches ect.... but also like snacks, beer and stuff.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 25 May 2020

Best is when they say serious complications may arise even including death when listing side effects.

Basically they market the drug for someone to go to doctor and be like hey I want that name brand drug when it should be that someone goes to doctor and tells them symptoms then the doctor can recommend treatment and if drug maybe required then offer both name brand and generic choices for the patient.

Basically drug companies shouldn't be able to advertise on TV but they allow them here.  There are a ton of ads especially for programs that cater to order people.



SvennoJ said:


The peak in Ontario was 634 reported cases (Apr 23) which dropped down to 294 (May 10), filtered the drop was 47% (595 -> 316)
And now we're posting just over 400 a day again.


Edit: Ontario already put its numbers up, higher again +460. However pending tests dropped by 2500, so perhaps a part of the 460 belonged to yesterday, not that that matters much. A full week of increasing daily cases, 3 day avg growth rate of 121% week over week atm.
This week 2,847 reported cases
Last week 2,412 reported cases
118% change compared to a full week ago, 1.024x daily growth, 29.3 days to double, so still plenty of time to adjust course.
Hopefully it will sort itself out and the recent increase is from people getting excited to get out again.
Anyway phase 2 should be delayed by a week I would think, 2 weeks of consistent decline was the requirement.

Ontario not doing good enough, Stockholm peaked at ~200 cases per day and stayed there for about a month. 14 million people live in Ontario compared to 2.3 million in Stockholm region. You guys need to hit 1200+ cases a day to beat stockholm.

Even your own google mobility report shows Stockholm behaviour getting worse, we shall see I think it's immunity that is bringing cases down and the behaviour in Stockholm is just getting worse.



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sethnintendo said:

Best is when they say serious complications may arise even including death when listing side effects.

Basically they market the drug for someone to go to doctor and be like hey I want that name brand drug when it should be that someone goes to doctor and tells them symptoms then the doctor can recommend treatment and if drug maybe required then offer both name brand and generic choices for the patient.

Basically drug companies shouldn't be able to advertise on TV but they allow them here.  There are a ton of ads especially for programs that cater to order people.

We get them all here as well (Canada), so many Humira, shingles, diabetes, viagra, various depression adds, always with happy smiling people and uplifting music while rattling off a huge list of terrible side effects, ending with Ask your doctor if Humira can work for you. Doctors here must all be incompetent that they don't what to prescribe :)

I also can't stand all those nicotine adds, patches, shots, gum for cravings, find the right combination for you. It doesn't seem like they want you to get off smoking, just want you to get onto the better profit margins of the crap replacing smoking.

Then you get all the shady lawyer commercials, crash in a car call william matar, class action suits (usually against pharma or hospitals), work injuries (workers comp) and other stuff. There's a hilarious 'reality' show on nowadays, personal injury court. It's pure satire, except it pretends it's supposed to be taken seriously. It's on every day, always good for a laugh. Millions of dollars law suits cause someone fell of a ladder in someone's backyard, or shot themselves in the head with a nail gun. It's always someone else's fault. It's all cheap make up (making 'wounds' look fresh) with head contraptions and oversize casts and overly dramatic acting. An 'expert' explaining the injury in detail while the audience groans on command. Now it's time for the legal sauce. The scary thing is while the show is all acting, it's based on real cases... Judge Judy is still the best, You're an idiot, sit down and shut up.