Think you are nitpicking. I don’t care if they have to remove half the trees and grass. Cut the draw distance. Have crazy texture pop in and cut npcs in towns down a good chunk. Make the graphics and resolution so fuzzy it’s like I’m looking through the bottom of a bottle. 

It won’t be ideal by any means, but it can be downgraded if there was any real point to do so. 

Edit: We beside the point. We ain’t talking about 360, we talking about whether Xbox 1 can take a downgraded next gen port. And if Switch is any indication, it’s certainly possible. 

See now ya talking ;)

But ya the actual point was in the edit 

Just pointing out that you began the thread talking about “true next gen games” being showcases of things not possible on previous gen hardware besides graphics and now it’s all about how good the games look. You even tried to link a DF article where they go on about how good the game looks but ignored where they complain that it plays like last gen Infamous titles. Yet somehow if Halo Infinite plays like a last gen Halo but has amazing graphics on XSX, it will still be a problem 😆

Also idc to get into some hypothetical nonsense about other games like GTA or RDR. We’ve already pointed out games to you like Witcher 3 or Horizon 2 which were designed with one target in mind and then ported down to Switch/360. But for whatever reason you seem to think all versions of games have to be drastically neutered to account for weaker hardware. At the end of the day you don’t know what these devs are doing. I have a feeling you won’t be impressed either way, but let’s not ignore the history of gaming because you have a hunch that Microsoft will fail.

the switch version also came like 4 years later. 

Good thing that plays into my argument, Halo Infinite is a 5 year game :)

Oh you so funny. More like both are simultaneously developed alongside each other with respective specs in mind. Almost like the game is made by the same studio within an ecosystem they are intimately familiar with :)

Horrible? Lol cmon. There’s worse comparisons. You not seeing the big picture...it’s hard to find an exact example, we go with what we know. 

You late to the convo but Goopy maintains the opinion that you can’t make next gen games when you have a considerably weaker machine to make a version for. Witcher 3 is a great example that you can make the high end version and scale down to weaker machine. That while it is the same game the differences large and small can add up to be vast. 

He also maintains that the weaker machines are the base model for game development when it is factually harder to build low and scale up then develop high and scale down.

With a literal next gen engine for Halo Infinite and with 343 having the employees to optimize all versions at the same time I think it is definitely in the realm of possibility that we will see at least a Witcher 3 level of difference between base XB1 and Series X. Especially with the recent leaks of next gen ray tracing and audio techniques in the Series X hardware. 

Np :)

Thats the beauty of speculating, I think FH2 or say Titanfall are better examples. Having played both 360 and XB1 Titanfalls the differences were pretty huge. 

But ultimately the one argument Goopy can’t seem to address is that both companies have never pushed full potential at launch. Every gen is the same story...we only get a taste. And generational leaps like PS2 to PS3 will never be that vast anymore. 

So ultimately my core argument is that whether you make a “plus plus” version on Series X or make a next gen exclusive on PS5 that only scratches the surface....the end result for both companies is pretty similar. Both sides only get a taste of what’s to come in the years ahead.

So really the only argument is one of a business perspective, as in should MS make games cross gen as they can take incentive away to upgrade. But that’s a problem for MSs marketing department, not us. 

I’m optimistic that the Series X version will be more then mere FPS and resolution boosts. The little leaks we find here and there regarding next gen ray tracing and audio help the case. 

But again there’s still the main point that neither console will launch with their best. They only ever give us a taste of the potential. MS and Sony doing different things but both come to the same conclusion. You can never have had Halo 4 release in 2005 nor Last of Us be a PS3 launch title. Never happened before and I see no reason it will happen in the future.

I don't want to burst your bubble but we have this confirmed already by 343 themselves... Yes, if they were making 2 different games, with features missing in current gen consoles like we've seen with Horizon 2, it would be a different story. But they aren't talking about ports on different platforms, they are talking about scaling and using Xone as the base console, not the Series X. It's just like Gears 5, which does look better on X1X and pc, but it's still the exact same game on all platforms, where it's designed so the Xone version looks and plays identical. This is exactly what they're doing with Halo Infinite and their other cross gen exclusives for the coming years.

It something completely different than the next gen jump from Infamous 2 to Infamous SS or RDR1 to RDR2, where core game elements like the geometry got a complete overhaul. The only way they could port RDR2 over to the ps3/360 is by scaling it down to such a level, that it'll end up looking exactly like RDR 1.

Also, we have seen plenty of launch game that push next gen consoles. Ryze looked pretty great and something like the Order 1886 is still one of the best looking games out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O964TILTZeU. The only thing I can agree on is that launch games usually don't have the best gameplay, probably because they tend to focus too much on showcasing the new tech.