I never said they're abandoning gamers. I'm saying their abandoning the core Xbox fan base, who can't wait to buy their Series X and play next gen games. They're main goal has simply shifted from competing with Sony in the console market and pushing next gen tech, towards reaching a broader audience with GP. Obviously, Kinect and GP are two totally different things. But they both share the same purpose, going after a broader audience. And if history has taught us anything, it's that it usually comes at the expense of giving the Xbox fan base what they want.  

I ain't no game developer but there's one thing everyone and their grandmothers knows: Games designed for a single, closed platform will always push the hardware better than games designed for a whole bunch of devices with different specs.  

You still act like GP is a feature like Kinect (absurd) that takes away from its 14 studios making games.....when the whole point is that they give access to all of MSs games. It in no way detracts from what gamers want nor what games MS is making. 

You made assumptions first....not nice when someone swings the pendulum back at you. Sony has every reason to not give you their best at launch, nor will they make the most of the hardware. Where as I know I’m getting the best at launch. 
Sony unveiled the font and logo...with no console reveal and no games. MS showed the Series X and Hellblade 2. So ya...I have every reason to think Sony is full of themselves and expect you to get excited over the brand alone. Over a font and logo. Cmon.

You want pros of buying a Series X? Fine, though you don’t have to agree you just acknowledge that there are people that my points apply to. 

They want the custom Halo edition console (me). They want the best versions of 1st party games because they don’t want to settle for less. They want the latest console purely as an early tech adopter. They want the most power (which they will get from 3rd party and 1st party for 90% of the gen). 

There you go. Remember not all gamers are early adopters. But thank you again for reminding everyone just how bad Sony’s launches are and making me by comparison extremely excited to see what a hungry MS can do :)

“Not even trying”...so overall we all can admit that neither company makes the most use at launch. Making the entire argument against Xbox null and void. Thank you. 

Maybe they would have been better cross gen if Sony spent less time “pushing the consoles ability” (lol) and focus more on quality control. Perspectives work both ways  ;)

You're complaining that they aren't abandoning core gamers this gen. Right in the same thread where you're complaining about what they did last gen, which was abandon core gamers. Textbook damned if you do and damned if you don't.

And hey, another goal post shift. I think we all know software tailored to certain devices works better than something scalable and designed for many devices. See: iOS vs Android. But that is completely irrelevant to this thread and the argument you've lost thus far in it. No one is saying a game built from the ground up for XSX can't be more advanced than a game built for cross gen. We're simply saying it's not a big deal and won't make a big difference to launch window titles, and we have history and logic backing us up. Remember, as much as you try to stretch the window out to two to three to five years, they've only said that at max, one year of XSX first party content would be cross gen.

And how in the world would GamePass get in the way of giving Xbox owners want they want lol. Literally all it gives gamers is games. What nonsense.

See this you shouldn’t assume. Pc gamers would lose it if MS made underpowered games for their rigs. You seem to have a genuine problem accepting how MS can scale their games down. 

Well again I know Ms giving us their best because they hungry. And Sony expected their fans to get excited over a font and logo. That’s enough to tell me who’s trying harder this upcoming gen. 

To you is null and void as you refuse to accept anything painting Xbox in the slightest bad light.

What we can admit is that at the beginning devs are still getting used to the hardware. They might not even know themselves what tricks they can pull off. Or how to get around certain inconveniences. Or if something works good some improvements and make it great. But at the moment they are using what they have at the fullest.

For thouse using pc as a metric. Consider the bios updates on cards. Still the same cards but what ever update they manufacture did tends to remove glitches, increases performance and what ever else. Games already made are already done can't do much but games in development will make better use of the new tools provided. So at both points in time devs where using the most of the hardware .

Consider when the xbox one freed up one of the CPU cores recerved for background operations. Games after that where better at no fault of the devs. 

Nice deflection without actually countering the point ;)

For all that talking you still came to the same conclusion: both Sony and MS can’t make 100% use of a system at launch. Your argument about Xbox cross gen still null and void. 

The series X reveal was a taste. Nothing that should be compared to a hour long briefing or E3. So far in terms of teasers Ms actually gave gamers something to look at and talk about...where as Sony has the audacity to expect you to get excited over a logo that everybody expected anyway. And I find it hilarious you are defending that. Like who wouldn’t want to see more? This is like me defending Kinect because I have so much faith in MS....which I wouldn’t do. I mean there’s loyalty and then there’s loyalty