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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Wasn't talking about pricing or even Capcom lol. Although yeah that pricing is atrocious.

But for games that only have the issue of being download only they got 1000x the hate that Hellblade does. Go figure. 

You really hate Hellblade. IIRC, you already complained about AAA games getting flack for being cinematic and linear while indie games are praised for being so creative, then Hellblade shows up and the proponents for indie games praise it for being cinematic and linear.



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RolStoppable said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Wasn't talking about pricing or even Capcom lol. Although yeah that pricing is atrocious.

But for games that only have the issue of being download only they got 1000x the hate that Hellblade does. Go figure. 

You really hate Hellblade. IIRC, you already complained about AAA games getting flack for being cinematic and linear while indie games are praised for being so creative, then Hellblade shows up and the proponents for indie games praise it for being cinematic and linear.

Well yes I did complain about that. But I don't "hate" the game. Because it doesn't matter what game it is, if it's hypocritical it's hypocritical. 

Also none of what you just said was an argument for anything. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
RolStoppable said:

You really hate Hellblade. IIRC, you already complained about AAA games getting flack for being cinematic and linear while indie games are praised for being so creative, then Hellblade shows up and the proponents for indie games praise it for being cinematic and linear.

Well yes I did complain about that. But I don't "hate" the game. Because it doesn't matter what game it is, if it's hypocritical it's hypocritical. 

Also none of what you just said was an argument for anything. 

That's because it isn't an argument. I am just sharing my own observations.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Well yes I did complain about that. But I don't "hate" the game. Because it doesn't matter what game it is, if it's hypocritical it's hypocritical. 

Also none of what you just said was an argument for anything. 

That's because it isn't an argument. I am just sharing my own observations.

I guess but the intention felt pretty obvious. It's the same reason you brought up Capcom first thing when I didn't even mention them. It's a jump in logic to think I meant that company when I meant digital only games in general on Switch (specifically ones where the baggage is *only* being digital). It's also similar to why you brought up "hate". Because in a lot of people's mind if you hate something (which I don't even hate Hellblade), you automatically can't make a valid point about it . It's basically making a point without outright stating an argument. 

Either way I just find it funny. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
RolStoppable said:

That's because it isn't an argument. I am just sharing my own observations.

I guess but the intention felt pretty obvious. It's the same reason you brought up Capcom first thing when I didn't even mention them. It's a jump in logic to think I meant that company when I meant digital only games in general on Switch (specifically ones where the baggage is *only* being digital). It's also similar to why you brought up "hate". Because in a lot of people's mind if you hate something (which I don't even hate Hellblade), you automatically can't make a valid point about it . It's basically making a point without outright stating an argument. 

Either way I just find it funny. 

If I wanted to make an argument, I would just get to the point.

For example, you consider it hypocrisy when nobody in this thread outright complains about Hellblade being digital-only, so you make that generalized opening post. But you are missing two important factors to call out hypocrisy. For one, you'd need people to say that it is good that the game is digital-only, and two, you'd need those people to be the same ones that have complained about digital-only releases in the past.

When you talk about a group as big as Switch fans, it's pretty easy to find contradictory statements. However, the key is that you have to be able to isolate individuals who are contradicting themselves. If you can't do that, you are just becoming one of those annoying people who like to point with their finger. You can do this the right way like you did in the Global Hardware Sales thread from last week, so stick to that.



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RolStoppable said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I guess but the intention felt pretty obvious. It's the same reason you brought up Capcom first thing when I didn't even mention them. It's a jump in logic to think I meant that company when I meant digital only games in general on Switch (specifically ones where the baggage is *only* being digital). It's also similar to why you brought up "hate". Because in a lot of people's mind if you hate something (which I don't even hate Hellblade), you automatically can't make a valid point about it . It's basically making a point without outright stating an argument. 

Either way I just find it funny. 

If I wanted to make an argument, I would just get to the point.

For example, you consider it hypocrisy when nobody in this thread outright complains about Hellblade being digital-only, so you make that generalized opening post. But you are missing two important factors to call out hypocrisy. For one, you'd need people to say that it is good that the game is digital-only, and two, you'd need those people to be the same ones that have complained about digital-only releases in the past.

When you talk about a group as big as Switch fans, it's pretty easy to find contradictory statements. However, the key is that you have to be able to isolate individuals who are contradicting themselves. If you can't do that, you are just becoming one of those annoying people who like to point with their finger. You can do this the right way like you did in the Global Hardware Sales thread from last week, so stick to that.

Not really. If it was a very specific argument being called hypocritical, maybe. However, all you have to do is see every other thread about big games that are third parties on Switch and you will see it. I mean, for all intents and purposes I'm only talking about the community around Switch on this site, which is big for here but pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

Also it doesn't need to be praising something to be hypocritical. That's just silly. It can be not complaining or complaining to a significantly lesser degree, thus being inconsistent with standards. The opposite of complaining doesn't have to be praising, it can also just be not complaining. 

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Not really. If it was a very specific argument being called hypocritical, maybe. However, all you have to do is see every other thread about big games that are third parties on Switch and you will see it. I mean, for all intents and purposes I'm only talking about the community around Switch on this site, which is big but pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

Also it doesn't need to be praising something to be hypocritical. That's just silly. It can be not complaining or complaining to a significantly lesser degree, thus being inconsistent with standards. The opposite of complaining doesn't have to be praising, it can also just be not complaining. 

I hope you realize that your definition of hypocrisy means that someone who isn't aware of the existence of a thread can be labeled a hypocrite. And given how few posts this thread had when you made your initial post, you jumped the gun on this one.

Complaining to a significantly lesser degree has merit for the definition of hypocrisy, but not complaining isn't quite right.

Has there been anyone specifically who you consider to be guilty of hypocritical behavior? Or is it more that you are mistaking the general indifference toward Hellblade for something that it isn't?



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Shipments

RolStoppable said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Not really. If it was a very specific argument being called hypocritical, maybe. However, all you have to do is see every other thread about big games that are third parties on Switch and you will see it. I mean, for all intents and purposes I'm only talking about the community around Switch on this site, which is big but pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

Also it doesn't need to be praising something to be hypocritical. That's just silly. It can be not complaining or complaining to a significantly lesser degree, thus being inconsistent with standards. The opposite of complaining doesn't have to be praising, it can also just be not complaining. 

I hope you realize that your definition of hypocrisy means that someone who isn't aware of the existence of a thread can be labeled a hypocrite. And given how few posts this thread had when you made your initial post, you jumped the gun on this one.

Complaining to a significantly lesser degree has merit for the definition of hypocrisy, but not complaining isn't quite right.

Has there been anyone specifically who you consider to be guilty of hypocritical behavior? Or is it more that you are mistaking the general indifference toward Hellblade for something that it isn't?

Indifference to Hellblade? Now you're stretching it. I don't think this game will be super big, probably won't pass the 1M mark on Switch which a lot of third parties have. However it will still be one of the biggest releases of Spring and probably will do quite well. 

I concede though that I posted that too early in the thread. Honestly though it wouldn't have changed anything if I waited another day or two even ... because it's obvious that the result would be the same. 

As for pointing out specific users again I don't see the point. You're playing blind if you don't think the general behavior towards digital-only games has been nearly entirely negative on this site. However I will say there is a pretty obvious "specific" choice that I'm not going to point out ... feel like it shouldn't even need explaining  



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Indifference to Hellblade? Now you're stretching it. I don't think this game will be super big, probably won't pass the 1M mark on Switch which a lot of third parties have. However it will still be one of the biggest releases of Spring and probably will do quite well. 

I concede though that I posted that too early in the thread. Honestly though it wouldn't have changed anything if I waited another day or two even ... because it's obvious that the result would be the same. 

As for pointing out specific users again I don't see the point. You're playing blind if you don't think the general behavior towards digital-only games has been nearly entirely negative on this site. However I will say there is a pretty obvious "specific" choice that I'm not going to point out ... feel like it shouldn't even need explaining  

Hellblade strikes me as the typical game that is among those highlighted as not coming to Nintendo hardware because the console can't handle it. As such, the game draws attention when a port is announced and there is interest in a technical analysis to settle preceding larger arguments about processing power. However, purchase intent for the game itself is low and that's why a thread about the game's release date doesn't get many posts. It's a game that Nintendo gamers are supposed to want because they can't have it, but once they can have it, they begin to realize that they would have never cared in the first place if it hadn't been used as ammo in the console war.

It's not that I doubt that digital-only has been frowned upon on this site, but the practice to attack an entire fanbase because of one or two culprits is bad form. I take it, we have to thank curl-6 for this chain of posts, because of the seemingly endless months of fearmongering in regards to the physical release of XC2: Torna ~ The Golden Country. Why didn't you direct your attack there in the first place? What happened to the ALA who had the spine to call someone a racist?

I expect a humorous response. I didn't come into this thread for a super serious fight, so let's be more relaxed about the whole thing, because at the end of the day all involved people are friends. I can assure you that I don't and won't hold a grudge against anyone.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Shipments

I don't think anybody is particularly satisfied with Hellblade being (for now) digital only, it's more that, as Rol says, there's not a whole lot of enthusiasm about the game in general, at least not here on VGC. Most people here don't seem to care enough to be super pissed off. Still, go to Ninja Theory's twitter announcement of the release date and basically every second tweet in response is demanding a physical release. There's certainly a backlash from the community.



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