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sundin13 said:

I think with this whole Biden's "you ain't black" fiasco going on, it is a good time to take a look at some comments from Trump from last year:

President Donald Trump on Wednesday doubled down on referring to Jews who vote for Democrats as "very disloyal" to Israel, invoking a dual loyalty trope widely viewed as anti-Semitic.

“In my opinion, the Democrats have gone very far away from Israel. I cannot understand how they can do that,” Trump told reporters from the White House South Lawn on Wednesday. “They don’t want to fund Israel. They want to take away foreign aid to Israel. They want to do a lot of bad things to Israel. In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people and very disloyal to Israel."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doubles-down-calling-jewish-democrats-disloyal-israel-n1044861

Trump has made very similar comments about Jews with complete seriousness, and doubled down on them and now he and his supporters think they have room to criticize Biden? Again, I believe that Biden should be criticized when he says something inappropriate, but it is very important to keep some context in our heads and not give Trump the moral high ground because he has already said so much stupid, inappropriate shit that we barely bat an eye anymore.

Different scenario, Israel depends on the United States to keep them protected and if we don't they will be obliterated. A lot of jewish people in the United States have friends or family in Israel. Obama and the democrats on the other hand helped Iran to get nuclear weapons and stopped supporting Israel. Israel is one of our true allies and a country that produced brilliant people who helped the United States. In contrast, if you have ever been in a Democrat city like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, ect, you can see how the Democrats ultimately hurted the black community. With BS political correctness and social programs that makes them rely on the government instead of themselves which stunted the communities growth.

Last edited by Snoopy - on 23 May 2020

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Now that Beloved Leader is personally responsible for over 58 220 deaths during his botched handling of the Trumpandemic, let it no longer be said that his personal Vietnam was avoiding AIDS.  No, too many of his fellow countrymen have been pointlessly killed for that to remain true.



vivster said:
LurkerJ said:

Biden Tells Black Trump Supporters 'You Ain't Black'

That's terrible to say 

A terrible thing to say, but the core message is correct.

Nah, it was a very stupid thing to say and I would have figured Trump to say something along those lines first.  Biden will burn with those comments and it may come back to haunt him.  Depends on voter turnout or non- turnout.



Bidens comments were really dumb and could cause some people to sit out or vote elsewhere. Cause honestly rhetoric aside the Trump administration has been pretty beneficial towards African Americans in terms of the economy, hbcu's and federal prison reform.



Since we are now opening the economy back up slowly, I guess we can say this lockdown is pretty much pointless.



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Snoopy said:
Since we are now opening the economy back up slowly, I guess we can say this lockdown is pretty much pointless.

Nearly 100k deaths with a lockdown.  Could have been much much higher without one. Maybe in some cases yhe lockdowns should have been more lenient but the lockdowns have helped. Look tBrazil. Lack of lockdowns and they're getting out of control. 



jason1637 said:
Snoopy said:
Since we are now opening the economy back up slowly, I guess we can say this lockdown is pretty much pointless.

Nearly 100k deaths with a lockdown.  Could have been much much higher without one. Maybe in some cases yhe lockdowns should have been more lenient but the lockdowns have helped. Look tBrazil. Lack of lockdowns and they're getting out of control. 

Okay, a lot less than a percent. Glad we are destroying everything for a death rate that is about the same as every day tasks like driving a car and walking down the street.



Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Nearly 100k deaths with a lockdown.  Could have been much much higher without one. Maybe in some cases yhe lockdowns should have been more lenient but the lockdowns have helped. Look tBrazil. Lack of lockdowns and they're getting out of control. 

Okay, a lot less than a percent. Glad we are destroying everything for a death rate that is about the same as every day tasks like driving a car and walking down the street.

Dudes these people arent just percentages. Close too 100,000 people dead. Think about that number dude. Imagine how many families and friends are grieving right now. Now without lockdowns it could be in the millions which would be even more heartbreaking. 

Also driving a car and walking were not illegal. You can still do these things with lockdowns. 



jason1637 said:
Snoopy said:

Okay, a lot less than a percent. Glad we are destroying everything for a death rate that is about the same as every day tasks like driving a car and walking down the street.

Dudes these people arent just percentages. Close too 100,000 people dead. Think about that number dude. Imagine how many families and friends are grieving right now. Now without lockdowns it could be in the millions which would be even more heartbreaking. 

Also driving a car and walking were not illegal. You can still do these things with lockdowns. 

Dude imagine the hundreds of millions of people losing everything and possibly going homeless. Not to mention the suicides, anxiety, heart attacks from financial stress, and death from the increase in criminal activities, ect. Whether you like it or not, the economy has a bigger impact on people lives than the coronavirus.



Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Dudes these people arent just percentages. Close too 100,000 people dead. Think about that number dude. Imagine how many families and friends are grieving right now. Now without lockdowns it could be in the millions which would be even more heartbreaking. 

Also driving a car and walking were not illegal. You can still do these things with lockdowns. 

Dude imagine the hundreds of millions of people losing everything and possibly going homeless. Not to mention the suicides, anxiety, heart attacks from financial stress, and death from the increase in criminal activities, ect. Whether you like it or not, the economy has a bigger impact on people lives than the coronavirus.

Im not arguing against that. I do think there needs to be a way to provide for those who are economically stressed during a downturn weather that means government non interest loans to keep workers payed, emergency benefits,  less restrictions on certain jobs etc.

But what you said was that lockdowns were useless and im pointing out to you that lockdowns helped reduce the amount of possible deaths. Because without such lockdowns people would have been getting sick and dying at crazy rates and that probably too would have had an economic impact. We'd see people being more frugal because they need to pay medical bills, companies needing to do layoffs because of possible drops in demand, millions needing to call out of work to take care of their relatives or to take cae of their own health etc.