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Full Mueller report with redactions is out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/read-text-full-mueller-report-n994551



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the-pi-guy said:

From the Mueller Report:

"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked"

I.  What.

tbf a few lines before he said that he walso said that "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

CaptainExplosion said:
jason1637 said:
Full Mueller report with redactions is out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/read-text-full-mueller-report-n994551

Redactions? This is bullshit, they're censoring the truth.

Barr is, just as I've said before, a shill for Trump's corrupt and illegitimate presidency.

There are other investigations doing on in the DOJ. It would be dumb to release parts that are related to things you are still investigating.



CaptainExplosion said:
jason1637 said:

tbf a few lines before he said that he walso said that "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

There are other investigations doing on in the DOJ. It would be dumb to release parts that are related to things you are still investigating.

What makes you say that, when it's more obvious that Barr censored the parts he didn't want made public? As in the parts that would get Trump rightfully impeached.

It's bad enough Trump aided in war crimes in Yemen, tried to block refugees just seeking a better life, called white supremacists very fine people, bragged about sexual assault, made everyone else pay more in taxes while he cut taxes for the rich, appointed a rapist to the supreme court, made the EPA the opposite of what it's supposed to be, cut funding for helping autistic children, made friends with Kim Jong Un, and encouraged people to harass and make death threats to Rep Omar (unintentional or not he's still guilty), it's all the more worse that he did this after colluding with Putin to force his way into the White House.

Trump is a criminal, plain and simple, and defending Trump is enabling a criminal.

Well because we know that there are stil investigations going on in the doj concerning russia and the trump campaig.

US intervention in other countries when we dont need to have always been dumb moves imo. We should have pulled out of there a long time ago.

The white supremacists comments were also stupid but atleast he took it back.

He never bragged about sexual assault.

Most people actually got their taxes cut including the rich. But for people who live in liberal states that have high income taxes their taxes went up under the tax plan.

 Kavanaugh is not a rapist lol.

A lot of the regulations the EPA had set put a burden on the economy and with these regulation gone a lot of good have come from it.

The special olympics is not a government program. It should have never been funded by the government in the first place.

I think we should have bombed NK by now honestly so im not a fan of them being "friends" but a lot of people seem to agree with the diplomatic approach and if it ends up working thats good.

Lol he never encouraged people to go after Omar. He tweeted a video attacking her on something she said does not mean he told people to harass her.

The special counsel were not able to determine he colluded with the Russian. There is a lot of damaging info in the report but collusion is really not one of them. 



CaptainExplosion said:
jason1637 said:

Well because we know that there are stil investigations going on in the doj concerning russia and the trump campaig.

US intervention in other countries when we dont need to have always been dumb moves imo. We should have pulled out of there a long time ago.

The white supremacists comments were also stupid but atleast he took it back.

He never bragged about sexual assault.

Most people actually got their taxes cut including the rich. But for people who live in liberal states that have high income taxes their taxes went up under the tax plan.

 Kavanaugh is not a rapist lol.

A lot of the regulations the EPA had set put a burden on the economy and with these regulation gone a lot of good have come from it.

The special olympics is not a government program. It should have never been funded by the government in the first place.

I think we should have bombed NK by now honestly so im not a fan of them being "friends" but a lot of people seem to agree with the diplomatic approach and if it ends up working thats good.

Lol he never encouraged people to go after Omar. He tweeted a video attacking her on something she said does not mean he told people to harass her.

The special counsel were not able to determine he colluded with the Russian. There is a lot of damaging info in the report but collusion is really not one of them. 

The counsel wasn't able to determine he colluded with Russia because the report was redacted.

Like it or not his Tweets against Omar have made her life very difficult, and her being Muslim and black only makes Trump and his supporters look even more racist.

Since when did he retract his comments about Nazis being very fine people?

Are you saying we should screw over the environment we depend on for the sake of money?

That makes no sense. The counsel wrote the rport so all their conclusions they came to would not be affected by a redacted report. In the report they literally say that there was no collusion. You can make a claim for obsruction of justice since the report never exonerated him on it and give some instances of Trump trying to intefere in the investigation.

If me and you are beefing on twitter and then you insult me and your followers start to harass me and give me death threats you are not to blame since you never told anyone to do that. Omar made a dumb comment and Trump tweeted a video about it. Its not his fault people are harassing her.

No we should try to halt climate change in a reasonable manner and I disagree with some of the regulations that Trump has dropped but at the same time we should consider the harm that these regulations are doing to people that work in these industries who have been hit with harsh regulations.



Congress has invited Mueller to have a hearing about the investigation.



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jason1637 said:
Congress has invited Mueller to have a hearing about the investigation.

That should clear up an ambiguity with the redacted report.  I highly doubt that Mueller will not give his honest account of the report and his conclusions and determinations.  Either way, it should clear up some stuff so we can all move one one way or the other.  The thing is, if Barr is actually covering up for the President, we probably will get to the truth.  I believe that's pretty much want any American would want.  No more BS on both sides lets just get the facts straight.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:
Congress has invited Mueller to have a hearing about the investigation.

That should clear up an ambiguity with the redacted report.  I highly doubt that Mueller will not give his honest account of the report and his conclusions and determinations.  Either way, it should clear up some stuff so we can all move one one way or the other.  The thing is, if Barr is actually covering up for the President, we probably will get to the truth.  I believe that's pretty much want any American would want.  No more BS on both sides lets just get the facts straight.

Yeah I want to hear Mueller testify. He mention 10 different instances of potential obstruction of justice but also mentioned that it would not count as obstruction of justice which is confusing. I think he need to clarify more on that.



jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

That should clear up an ambiguity with the redacted report.  I highly doubt that Mueller will not give his honest account of the report and his conclusions and determinations.  Either way, it should clear up some stuff so we can all move one one way or the other.  The thing is, if Barr is actually covering up for the President, we probably will get to the truth.  I believe that's pretty much want any American would want.  No more BS on both sides lets just get the facts straight.

Yeah I want to hear Mueller testify. He mention 10 different instances of potential obstruction of justice but also mentioned that it would not count as obstruction of justice which is confusing. I think he need to clarify more on that.

Personally I do not believe the report will move the needle that much from what I can tell.  It will not change people's mind who believe Trump is a crook and will not change the people who believe he is a saint.  It may change the views of the fence sitters but by now I believe people have pretty much made up their mind about him.  Trump will serve out his 4 years and still have a good case for another as long as the economy doesn't tank before elections roll around. 



CaptainExplosion said:
jason1637 said:

Well because we know that there are stil investigations going on in the doj concerning russia and the trump campaig.

US intervention in other countries when we dont need to have always been dumb moves imo. We should have pulled out of there a long time ago.

The white supremacists comments were also stupid but atleast he took it back.

He never bragged about sexual assault.

Most people actually got their taxes cut including the rich. But for people who live in liberal states that have high income taxes their taxes went up under the tax plan.

 Kavanaugh is not a rapist lol.

A lot of the regulations the EPA had set put a burden on the economy and with these regulation gone a lot of good have come from it.

The special olympics is not a government program. It should have never been funded by the government in the first place.

I think we should have bombed NK by now honestly so im not a fan of them being "friends" but a lot of people seem to agree with the diplomatic approach and if it ends up working thats good.

Lol he never encouraged people to go after Omar. He tweeted a video attacking her on something she said does not mean he told people to harass her.

The special counsel were not able to determine he colluded with the Russian. There is a lot of damaging info in the report but collusion is really not one of them. 

The counsel wasn't able to determine he colluded with Russia because the report was redacted.

Like it or not his Tweets against Omar have made her life very difficult, and her being Muslim and black only makes Trump and his supporters look even more racist.

Since when did he retract his comments about Nazis being very fine people?

Are you saying we should screw over the environment we depend on for the sake of money?

No politician should be above criticism, and it is really worrying to me that she and Cortez has pretty much been deemed untouchable and anything you say against them is sexist, racist or even inciting violence. And all politicians gets harassment and threats against them. It's not OK but it sadly a part of being a public figure



melbye said:
CaptainExplosion said:

The counsel wasn't able to determine he colluded with Russia because the report was redacted.

Like it or not his Tweets against Omar have made her life very difficult, and her being Muslim and black only makes Trump and his supporters look even more racist.

Since when did he retract his comments about Nazis being very fine people?

Are you saying we should screw over the environment we depend on for the sake of money?

No politician should be above criticism, and it is really worrying to me that she and Cortez has pretty much been deemed untouchable and anything you say against them is sexist, racist or even inciting violence. And all politicians gets harassment and threats against them. It's not OK but it sadly a part of being a public figure

I do not know what news you have been reading or listening to but Neither Cortez or Omar has been deemed either untouchable or anything of the sort.  They have been criticized on both sides of the news including their own party.  It's one thing to criticize their view point, its another acting like a 3rd grade class idiot with insults.  The tweet Trump made was above stupid.  I put it right up there with is statements he saw Muslim people dancing and celebrating during September 11th.  Trump has a history of inciting racial bias and we can go over all the whole list if anyone is interested.

Omar and Cortez are the poster children for GOP platform of hate, division and fear mongering.  They want their base afraid of anyone who appears different from the norm and they want to make sure to keep the old white men in power to stem the tide of anything that looks like diversity.