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I knew echo-chamber far-left media was going to lose it with Biden's "Republican running mate" comment, but it's disappointing seeing Reuters run with the story and go with such a clickbait headline.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN1YZ025

His comment clearly was a swipe indicating he can't think of any decent Republicans today. But conspiracies just love running wild.

Last edited by Moren - on 30 December 2019

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Moren said:

I knew echo-chamber far-left media was going to lose it with Biden's "Republican running mate" comment, but it's disappointing seeing Reuters run with the story and go with such a clickbait headline.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN1YZ025

His comment clearly was a swipe indicating he can't think of any decent Republicans today. But conspiracies just love running wild.

In the video after he said he "couldn't think of one right now" and the crowd laughed (bc they thought he was taking a swipe at Republicans) he literally said "No no no no I'm serious, there's decent Republicans" "I'm not being a wise guy" and "there are a lot of people that are qualified to be VP"

There's literally no other way to interpret that. He looked completely genuine when he said it and he said that the problem is that the well known ones just need to step up.

He's part of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that answer should've been an easy no. Republicans would NEVER consider a Democrat for VP.

Biden continues to disappoint, but I'm not surprised.

Last edited by tsogud - on 31 December 2019

 

Well, Abraham Lincoln did in exceptional circumstances. Some of it resembles today, in that one of the major parties was controlled by seditionist racists except for its northeastern faction.

But unless the New England Republicans literally break away from their party, I don't see it ever happening again.



 

 

 

 

 

tsogud said:
Moren said:

I knew echo-chamber far-left media was going to lose it with Biden's "Republican running mate" comment, but it's disappointing seeing Reuters run with the story and go with such a clickbait headline.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN1YZ025

His comment clearly was a swipe indicating he can't think of any decent Republicans today. But conspiracies just love running wild.

In the video after he said he "couldn't think of one right now" and the crowd laughed (bc they thought he was taking a swipe at Republicans) he literally said "No no no no I'm serious, there's decent Republicans" "I'm not being a wise guy" and "there are a lot of people that are qualified to be VP"

There's literally no other way to interpret that. He looked completely genuine when he said it and he said that the problem is that the well known ones just need to step up.

He's part of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that answer should've been an easy no. Republicans would NEVER consider a Democrat for VP.

Biden continues to disappoint, but I'm not surprised.


The entire statement was clearly a swipe at a party that has lost its way for a long time and a call to step up from Trump's grip. A Democrat choosing a Republican for running mate is political suicide. But it's a good attack campaign to take it literally and run with it. Since he mentioned a woman of color a few months ago, I guess Nikki Haley confirmed amiright?

He's not a populist trying to foster a "us vs. the world" attitude.

Last edited by Moren - on 31 December 2019

@DarthMetalliCube Yang has a lot of good about him, but this is disqualifying imo.



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Moren said:
tsogud said:

In the video after he said he "couldn't think of one right now" and the crowd laughed (bc they thought he was taking a swipe at Republicans) he literally said "No no no no I'm serious, there's decent Republicans" "I'm not being a wise guy" and "there are a lot of people that are qualified to be VP"

There's literally no other way to interpret that. He looked completely genuine when he said it and he said that the problem is that the well known ones just need to step up.

He's part of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that answer should've been an easy no. Republicans would NEVER consider a Democrat for VP.

Biden continues to disappoint, but I'm not surprised.


The entire statement was clearly a swipe at a party that has lost its way for a long time and a call to step up from Trump's grip. A Democrat choosing a Republican for running mate is political suicide. But it's a good attack campaign to take it literally and run with it. Since he mentioned a woman of color a few months ago, I guess Nikki Haley confirmed amiright?

He's not a populist trying to foster a "us vs. the world" attitude.

No. It wasn't clear at all, he was completely genuine and even said he was serious.

He's not a populist. He's just a corporatist centrist trying to foster a "rich/well-off vs. everyone else" government that would continue to destroy our planet.



 

tsogud said:
Moren said:


The entire statement was clearly a swipe at a party that has lost its way for a long time and a call to step up from Trump's grip. A Democrat choosing a Republican for running mate is political suicide. But it's a good attack campaign to take it literally and run with it. Since he mentioned a woman of color a few months ago, I guess Nikki Haley confirmed amiright?

He's not a populist trying to foster a "us vs. the world" attitude.

No. It wasn't clear at all, he was completely genuine and even said he was serious.

He's not a populist. He's just a corporatist centrist trying to foster a "rich/well-off vs. everyone else" government that would continue to destroy our planet.

He was serious about it if you apply no context, no common sense, hate him, and have already decided he's no different than a Republican.

When he actually gets the nomination and doesn't come close to choosing a Republican as a running mate, the goalposts will move as well. "He was serious about considering a Republican but didn't due to progressive pressure" or "This Democrat might as well be a Republican".



Moren said:
tsogud said:

No. It wasn't clear at all, he was completely genuine and even said he was serious.

He's not a populist. He's just a corporatist centrist trying to foster a "rich/well-off vs. everyone else" government that would continue to destroy our planet.

He was serious about it if you apply no context, no common sense, hate him, and have already decided he's no different than a Republican.

When he actually gets the nomination and doesn't come close to choosing a Republican as a running mate, the goalposts will move as well. "He was serious about considering a Republican but didn't due to progressive pressure" or "This Democrat might as well be a Republican".

Quite the opposite. If you apply context he was serious. If you don't and blindly follow the corporatist centrist echo-chamber then yeah I guess it was a swipe.

He's part of the Democratic party he should act like it.



 

uran10 said:

@DarthMetalliCube Yang has a lot of good about him, but this is disqualifying imo.

Yeah that's definitely disappointing and there's certainly some ambiguities in his statements that make him seem more disingenuous than I had previously thought. Yang seems like a practical guy overall which is why it's odd to me that he seems to be vague and using weasel words when it comes to M4A. Admittedly M4A is not #1 at my list of priorities though it's still very important to me, especially as costs are just skyrocketing with private insurance lately, so I think it's important he makes his position clear.

It definitely sounds like he's taking a Warren or even Biden lite approach with his plan, in that he sounds like he's trying to expand private health care and maybe *eventually* transition into the free public option rather than implement a plan of straight-up M4A. I do fail to understand why having the option to choose would be a bad thing, rather than be FORCED into the public service like Bernie is posing - but as I've said I admittedly I'm far more of a "culture" guy when it comes to politics rather than being as well versed in the technical details of many of these political policies. 

When it comes to Yang I'm drawn to his practicality and genuine nature as well as his simply being an outsider as I struggle to trust many career politicians. He seems to take a more modern, technical approach in solving many problems which I like. But he's certainly not perfect, and definitely seems to have strain of that corporatism which I'm a bit wary of. 

I do feel that, with Yang, there's something of a conflict in offering an extra grand in each citizen's pocket (18-65 that apply for it) in ADDITION to covering health care free of charge.  I could be wrong on this, but to me at least, the implication is that his UBI of $1,000 per month is meant to be sort of a "catch-all" that's meant to cover these sort of "well being" costs like health insurance, and that rather than opting for government programs, this extra $1,000 acts as a dividend that people can CHOOSE to allocate to health care if they desire, though they can also allocate it in other areas if they so choose. Didn't he even say that if someone is using medicare, that this would be deducted from the monthly UBI stipend? 



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DarthMetalliCube said:
uran10 said:

@DarthMetalliCube Yang has a lot of good about him, but this is disqualifying imo.

Yeah that's definitely disappointing and there's certainly some ambiguities in his statements that make him seem more disingenuous than I had previously thought. Yang seems like a practical guy overall which is why it's odd to me that he seems to be vague and using weasel words when it comes to M4A. Admittedly M4A is not #1 at my list of priorities though it's still very important to me, especially as costs are just skyrocketing with private insurance lately, so I think it's important he makes his position clear.

It definitely sounds like he's taking a Warren or even Biden lite approach with his plan, in that he sounds like he's trying to expand private health care and maybe *eventually* transition into the free public option rather than implement a plan of straight-up M4A. I do fail to understand why having the option to choose would be a bad thing, rather than be FORCED into the public service like Bernie is posing - but as I've said I admittedly I'm far more of a "culture" guy when it comes to politics rather than being as well versed in the technical details of many of these political policies. 

When it comes to Yang I'm drawn to his practicality and genuine nature as well as his simply being an outsider as I struggle to trust many career politicians. He seems to take a more modern, technical approach in solving many problems which I like. But he's certainly not perfect, and definitely seems to have strain of that corporatism which I'm a bit wary of. 

I do feel that, with Yang, there's something of a conflict in offering an extra grand in each citizen's pocket (18-65 that apply for it) in ADDITION to covering health care free of charge.  I could be wrong on this, but to me at least, the implication is that his UBI of $1,000 per month is meant to be sort of a "catch-all" that's meant to cover these sort of "well being" costs like health insurance, and that rather than opting for government programs, this extra $1,000 acts as a dividend that people can CHOOSE to allocate to health care if they desire, though they can also allocate it in other areas if they so choose. Didn't he even say that if someone is using medicare, that this would be deducted from the monthly UBI stipend? 

Okay, let me just start with the most obvious thing. Choice argument is false, there is less choice in our current system than there will be under M4A. Its an argument establishment types peddle and considering you like outsiders... yea. Single Payer is that the government pays for our health care, and they act as the only insurer. No one likes "choice" when it comes to these greedy companies that only care about filling up their wallets. People like their doctors, and they like not paying an arm and a leg to see them. The choice is "I can visit any doctor" vs "I can only visit those in my network or pay crazy money". Sorry no. That's just not a thing.

And even if his UBI is a "catch all" I will say his version of UBI is trash. It does not build over the current social safety net and makes it far easier to cut them. He only changed his mind when it came to social security after talking with Mike from the humanist report. Health care cost are sky high, 1k a month aint gonna help with that, especially since you'll most likely end up in a situation where its food stamps etc or UBI and no one is gonna choose UBI in that case. I like the concept of UBI, but yang is just..... not good.

But at the end of the day, Health Care is a human right and his plan is hot garbage. Yang's got some good stuff like his drug plan but then he also says things like this:



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