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DonFerrari said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Nice job God of War! I'm also super happy about Celeste winning two awards!

Seems to be a very well loved and "universally" acclaimed Indie... some even wanting it to take GOTY instead of GoW, Spider-Man and RDR2.

What's wrong with them wanting it to win GOTY?. It's not a show beholden to just AAA games, nor should it ever be. 



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Seems to be a very well loved and "universally" acclaimed Indie... some even wanting it to take GOTY instead of GoW, Spider-Man and RDR2.

What's wrong with them wanting it to win GOTY?. It's not a show beholden to just AAA games, nor should it ever be. 

Have I said being anything wrong with it? The fact that these other 3 are much superior is a mere detail.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chazore said:

What's wrong with them wanting it to win GOTY?. It's not a show beholden to just AAA games, nor should it ever be. 

Have I said being anything wrong with it? The fact that these other 3 are much superior is a mere detail.

"Seems to be a very well loved and "universally" acclaimed Indie... some even wanting it to take GOTY instead of GoW, Spider-Man and RDR2."

the ... and the "some wanting it to take GOTY instead of [Insert only AAA games here]" lines. Again, you don't have to be ultra specific with saying "hate" for example, but you can heavily imply it. I've seen you and Eva agree in thinking indies aren't worth a note about getting GOTY, let alone being in the rosters each year,



Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Have I said being anything wrong with it? The fact that these other 3 are much superior is a mere detail.

"Seems to be a very well loved and "universally" acclaimed Indie... some even wanting it to take GOTY instead of GoW, Spider-Man and RDR2."

the ... and the "some wanting it to take GOTY instead of [Insert only AAA games here]" lines. Again, you don't have to be ultra specific with saying "hate" for example, but you can heavily imply it. I've seen you and Eva agree in thinking indies aren't worth a note about getting GOTY, let alone being in the rosters each year,

You are just trying to read to much.

But yes, Celeste and other great Indies certainly doesn't compete on same level as RDR2 and GOW, and if they were evaluated on the same merits their grades would be much lower than what we usually see. That is my opinion and I have a right to it, same right as people have to think these great Indies should be contender for GOTY and win against GoW.

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 18 February 2019

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chazore said:

"Seems to be a very well loved and "universally" acclaimed Indie... some even wanting it to take GOTY instead of GoW, Spider-Man and RDR2."

the ... and the "some wanting it to take GOTY instead of [Insert only AAA games here]" lines. Again, you don't have to be ultra specific with saying "hate" for example, but you can heavily imply it. I've seen you and Eva agree in thinking indies aren't worth a note about getting GOTY, let alone being in the rosters each year,

You are just trying to read to much.

But yes, Celeste and other great Indies certainly doesn't compete on same level as RDR2 and GOW, and if they were evaluated on the same merits their grades would be much lower than what we usually see. That is my opinion and I have a right to it, same right as people have to think these great Indies should be contender for GOTY and win against GoW.

No?. Not really, that would be like me saying that you've dropped all bias towards a certain set of developers/game development size overnight.

See, the first line is exactly what I was trying to point out with your convo between you and Eva. You try to put one dev type, entirely over another, making sure that the other cannot hope to compete against the other for GOTY.

What same merits?, textures?. Mate, those, again are not beholden to just AAA games, art styles and usage of said styles are not beholden to AAA games either. Some of the most beautiful looking games around have been spawned from indie devs, that weren't AAA based.

Yeah, you have an opinion, but it's not a fact, and to that, it doesn't hold much weight, because it's your own say on how things could be run, but aren't. 

The reality is, is that indies are getting up there and they are getting closer by each year. Once we get one that wins multiple awards, it will have to be given it's dues, especially when you consider their smaller budgets, the effort of work they have to put into them, vs a company that basically acts like a blank chequeue and fully disposable staff members (huge hhint if you didn't know). 



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

You are just trying to read to much.

But yes, Celeste and other great Indies certainly doesn't compete on same level as RDR2 and GOW, and if they were evaluated on the same merits their grades would be much lower than what we usually see. That is my opinion and I have a right to it, same right as people have to think these great Indies should be contender for GOTY and win against GoW.

No?. Not really, that would be like me saying that you've dropped all bias towards a certain set of developers/game development size overnight.

See, the first line is exactly what I was trying to point out with your convo between you and Eva. You try to put one dev type, entirely over another, making sure that the other cannot hope to compete against the other for GOTY.

What same merits?, textures?. Mate, those, again are not beholden to just AAA games, art styles and usage of said styles are not beholden to AAA games either. Some of the most beautiful looking games around have been spawned from indie devs, that weren't AAA based.

Yeah, you have an opinion, but it's not a fact, and to that, it doesn't hold much weight, because it's your own say on how things could be run, but aren't. 

The reality is, is that indies are getting up there and they are getting closer by each year. Once we get one that wins multiple awards, it will have to be given it's dues, especially when you consider their smaller budgets, the effort of work they have to put into them, vs a company that basically acts like a blank chequeue and fully disposable staff members (huge hhint if you didn't know). 

God forbid i have personal taste. You love to come and say I'm biased and hate PC. Not far ago you were also complaining I only talk bad about PC. Since this is a thread of God of War and not PC, will you say how much you love God of War and how much it deserved to be the overall winner for GOTYs last year?

You can dream as much as you want that if Indies were held to the same standard on their review they would get scores as good as they have.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

God forbid i have personal taste. You love to come and say I'm biased and hate PC. Not far ago you were also complaining I only talk bad about PC. Since this is a thread of God of War and not PC, will you say how much you love God of War and how much it deserved to be the overall winner for GOTYs last year?

You can dream as much as you want that if Indies were held to the same standard on their review they would get scores as good as they have.

You can have personal taste, no one said you couldn't. You do however, need to realize that your say isn't law, isn't to hold sway over what others want. Just because you don't think indies should ever be considered for GOTY, does not in any way mean they shouldn't.

We're humans, we have bias, that's nothing new nor special. Bringing old discussions into this doesn't help either. 

Trying to twist things around in the form of a counter-point won't work either. You're the one that took a small hit at someone else for talking about another indie getting awards. Let's not pretend ... is in any way related to just a single ., because one ends a sentence, the other one leaves a speechless gap.

I don't need to dream, because them winning and getting closer to GOTY is becoming a reality each year, and that's a good thing to see for a change. It's actually good to see indie's improving each year, showing up AAA games on what they are missing, and what innovation could be done to the medium. AAA#'s are not the saving grace of gaming, nor will they ever be for that matter.



Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

God forbid i have personal taste. You love to come and say I'm biased and hate PC. Not far ago you were also complaining I only talk bad about PC. Since this is a thread of God of War and not PC, will you say how much you love God of War and how much it deserved to be the overall winner for GOTYs last year?

You can dream as much as you want that if Indies were held to the same standard on their review they would get scores as good as they have.

You can have personal taste, no one said you couldn't. You do however, need to realize that your say isn't law, isn't to hold sway over what others want. Just because you don't think indies should ever be considered for GOTY, does not in any way mean they shouldn't.

We're humans, we have bias, that's nothing new nor special. Bringing old discussions into this doesn't help either. 

Trying to twist things around in the form of a counter-point won't work either. You're the one that took a small hit at someone else for talking about another indie getting awards. Let's not pretend ... is in any way related to just a single ., because one ends a sentence, the other one leaves a speechless gap.

I don't need to dream, because them winning and getting closer to GOTY is becoming a reality each year, and that's a good thing to see for a change. It's actually good to see indie's improving each year, showing up AAA games on what they are missing, and what innovation could be done to the medium. AAA#'s are not the saving grace of gaming, nor will they ever be for that matter.

You were the one that brought older discussion, so stop trying to shift blame.

You also should be aware that you barely know me to claim I think my personal taste is law. When I say that Celeste isn't GOTY contender that is my opinion. When I say some people wanted it winning against GoW that isn't saying they are any less people than me. You entered fully aggression even though you were fully complaining I done that to you in other threads. So start behaving yourself before asking others.

I took a hit at someone? Funny you say that, I recognized Celeste is well beloved and that some even think it is a contender for GOTY, the person to how I replied didn't bother with it. But you decided to reply to attack me on your defense for it. Yes talk about taking chances to hit someone.

Certainly is good that Indies are improving, I like some of them as well, also never said AAA is saving grace of anything, they are just my preference. Keep on your crusade to put words in other people mouth.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

You were the one that brought older discussion, so stop trying to shift blame.

You also should be aware that you barely know me to claim I think my personal taste is law. When I say that Celeste isn't GOTY contender that is my opinion. When I say some people wanted it winning against GoW that isn't saying they are any less people than me. You entered fully aggression even though you were fully complaining I done that to you in other threads. So start behaving yourself before asking others.

I took a hit at someone? Funny you say that, I recognized Celeste is well beloved and that some even think it is a contender for GOTY, the person to how I replied didn't bother with it. But you decided to reply to attack me on your defense for it. Yes talk about taking chances to hit someone.

Certainly is good that Indies are improving, I like some of them as well, also never said AAA is saving grace of anything, they are just my preference. Keep on your crusade to put words in other people mouth.

I mentioned a previous discussion which had a direct connection to you talking about indie games in GOTYT award nominations, not "you hatin on PC", which has no such connection to this topic, that's the difference. Playing to a mirror argument again doesn't work here, so please, refrain from using one.

I don't need to know you when you already talk to everyone around here. Playing the "you don't know me" card doesn't absolve you from criticism. It's not even about "taste", wanting a AAA game to always win above an indie game isn't called a taste. Never said they were lesser people either, so let's get that out of the way. You're entering aggression mode at this very moment, if you didn't already know. Practice what you preach my dude. 

You recognize, yet you follow it up with..., rather than just a mere full stop and nothing more. Like I said, there is a big difference between a full stop and multiple dots. See, you're labeling it as some form of "direct attack", "help, this person is attacking me", kind of angle, again it will not suffice. I am merely pointing out that your wording was chosen poorly and that your previous bias remains, in regards to seeing someone wanting one game to win over 3-4 AAA's, otherwise you wouldn't be going with ..., you'd end it with .

@Bold, likewise mate. 

I hope you'll be the when we start seeing indies taking GOTY awards, since you're using that GoW retort back at me. 



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