At the end there you do say that Switch numbers are good but I'd classify them as great. It's beating xbox & ps4 which even if you don't find it impressive is still impressive considering where their consoles are now.

Switch doesn't even get half the 3Rd party support that those two consoled get so saying that the sales aren't that impressive when Nintendo is doing the majority of these sales off their own back, is just stupid.

First I will like to thank you for speaking objectively. This is a very touchy subject to most people. 

With the Wii.... yes nintendo made games for it. As they d fr all their platforms. But it sold primarily for motion controls. And primarily to the casual crowd. And alt of companies not just nintendo tried to partake of that crowd.

A troubling thing however is if you look at the overall game output of nintendo platforms. This ca usually be tied directly to how successful they were. eg...

DS had 4000 games. 3DS had 1700.

Wii had  2800 games. WiiU had 367.

To put it into perspective every console that has old upwards of 80M has had more than 1000 games made for it. With the best consoles havin as much as 2500+ games made for it.

This is the basis of my argument as to why i say the NS cannot do this on the back of nintendo software alone. Right now the NS is at round 100 games.

NS is like 1400 games

Yes. I think it will sell really well for about 3 to 4 years. But then those sales will crash because at that point every major IP would already have an iteration on the switch and any sequel will not move as many consoles. As is the case with every IP ever.

My reasoning is that nintendo IP alone can't drive sales like that. Especially when you consider most of those IPs come in 2019 and 2020. 

You talking abut games in the store? Or physical releases.

I am talking about physical releases. As that is what VGC tracks.

And as I said before..... digital only (usually indie games) are not sale drivers. They sell t an already existing market base. Those aren't the games you see advertised on TV or plastered across walls at brick and mortar stores.

This is not nintend doom. And its unfortunate that if spoken against the viability f the platform, no matter how constructive it wuold be taken as such. I have said before I expect the switch t do well. I expect it to do at least 60M. Thats not doom when that puts it along their best selling consoles.

We already know exactly what the next sony/ms consoles will bring to the table. Its the same thing they have done for the last 4 generations. Same way we know nintendo no longer competes in using that same business model.

You guys have t make up your minds abut the NS, so now you are saying its a 9th gen console and as such already 20M ahead or is it a very late 8th gen console. I was of the impression it was n 8th gen console. 

And you hit the nail on the head. Portable home console versus dockable portable console. 

I see it as a jack f all and master of non. Which ultimately I feel will affect it. As a home console, the time is coming that the games people play at home simply will not run on it. And all that will be had are nintendo games. But how may nintendo home consoles have ever sold more than 50M riding primarily on nintendo games? 

As a handheld.... look at the 3DS. There is a reason nintendo sought out to do more with the NS than just make  handheld. They were smart enough to see that in the present day and age its near impossible to be just a handheld device when any $50 7 inch tablet running android can not just do more and more appeal than your hand held. The rise of cheap tablets and super basic games n the app store has pretty much sucked out that super casual crowd nintendo sold their handhelds to primarily.

I guess we will see where it goes.

Lets be honest here then....... how many nintendo consles (that aren't handhelds) has sold more than up to r more than 80M?

One.

And that one wasn't selling for "the games" it was selling simply for what it was; motion controls and some sort of cultural shift. Evident in what happened with the WiiU when a nintendo home console was asked to sell for nothing but the games.

But lets look at the handhelds.... As i have already explained, the world we live in today is very different from the world where those handhelds sold upwards of 70M. Again evident by what happened with the 3ds.

So yes..... I don't think 3rd party games sell nintendo hardware. And thats my point. I d not believe that nintendo IPs alone will take the console to 80M. Because it never has. Nintendo platforms always sell because they create a market and claim it for themselves. Thats always been their way. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Everytime they have tried competing in the same market with anyone else (or one they didnt pretty much create)they have lost. 

So the real question is that is this hybrid console thin that new market? And how big is it? This is why its hard making comparisons of nintendo platforms and how well they did in the past; they all usually bring something different to the table. But we can compare form factors though. There are really only like 15 to 20M die hard nintendo fans out there. People that will buy a nintendo platform no matter what. Probably a lot less really. Going off the performance of the WiiU. So the NS will sell not because of nintendo games (people just end up buying those after they have bought into whatever new form factor nintendo is pushing) but rather sell on the novelty of its hybrid nature. 

And does anyone here (myself included) really know how big a market that is? 

No... thats not what I a saying at all.

I called it "very good", if you prefer the term "great", is fine by me too. And what i said is i find more impressive what PS4 and XBO did than Switch and that Switch is not that impressive as some people say, but that doesn't mean Switch sales are not impressive too. Is just that they're not as impressive as Wii or PS4....in just my humble opinion, nothing stupid in that.

Well that's a terrible comparison then because a majority of those 2800 Wii & 4000 DS games would be digital only if they released now.

First I will like to thank you for speaking objectively. This is a very touchy subject to most people. 

With the Wii.... yes nintendo made games for it. As they d fr all their platforms. But it sold primarily for motion controls. And primarily to the casual crowd. And alt of companies not just nintendo tried to partake of that crowd.

A troubling thing however is if you look at the overall game output of nintendo platforms. This ca usually be tied directly to how successful they were. eg...

DS had 4000 games. 3DS had 1700.

Wii had  2800 games. WiiU had 367.

To put it into perspective every console that has old upwards of 80M has had more than 1000 games made for it. With the best consoles havin as much as 2500+ games made for it.

This is the basis of my argument as to why i say the NS cannot do this on the back of nintendo software alone. Right now the NS is at round 100 games.

Smh.... pls lets not move posts here. I didn't add digital only games to all the other platforms. Can you imagine how big the number for the PS4, PS3, XB1, 360....etc would be like if we added digital games.

Or if we started hypothetically re-releasing games from previus gens now and makin them digital titles too?

This observation is a simple one look at the physical (which are usually the bigger/mainstream titles of their respective gens) and that paints a picture. That applies to every single platform..... nintendo or otherwise.