Changed the title. Please don't use sensationalist thread headlines to forcibly steer the conversation on a serious topic. The media are plenty good enough creating their own spin for clicks, we don't need to help them out along the way.
| vivster said: "Never happened" and "Could not be confirmed" seem like semantically significantly different things. |
If you call the school that supposedly reported the shooting and they say they it didn't happen, 'not confirmed' or 'uncertainty' become a euphemism for faking statistics.
The article itself states that 'more than 2/3 of these reported incidents never happened' , not some 'uncertainty' euphemism.
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| vivster said: Cool. Now what are we gonna do about the confirmed shootings? |
take away the rights of people to defend themselves and cede all responsibility for personal safety to the government/police, while also complaining about police brutality
that's the obvious solution
| Tulipanzo said: Big takeaway is that this result was from a school survey, meaning that it isn't some government conspiracy to inflate numbers of school shooting, it's just schools reporting stuff wrong. For example some schools conflated "shootings" with "incidents when a gun went off", or just answered a question on the wrong line. The article criticizes the lack of oversight, but notes the number is within the margin of error for all reported. The actual number of shooting reported for 2015-2016 is 29 (Everytown for Gun Safety), a shameful number, only rising due to the negligence of U.S. government to act and ban the fucking things. My country, achieved ZERO school shootings that year (and that decade tbh), but I guess gun control doesn't work. |
"Big takeaway is that this result was from a school survey, meaning that it isn't some government conspiracy to inflate numbers of school shooting"
i read your whole post and you have not substantiated this claim
| Tulipanzo said: only rising due to the negligence of U.S. government to act and ban the fucking things. |
The number is not rising.
NPR: Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It's Not a Growing Epidemic
"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."
the-pi-guy said:
It's literally in the article. "The Civil Rights Data Collection for 2018 required every public school — more than 96,000 — to answer questions on a wide range of issues. It asked what sounded like a simple question: In the 2015-2016 school year, "Has there been at least one incident at your school that involved a shooting (regardless of whether anyone was hurt)?" The answer — "nearly 240 schools (0.2 percent of all schools)" — was published this spring." "I think someone pushed the wrong button," said Jeff Davis, an assistant superintendent there. The outgoing superintendent, Joe Richards, "has been here for almost 30 years and he doesn't remember any shooting," Davis added. "We are in this weird vortex of what's on this screen and what reality is."
Also in the article: "And there's another factor at work as well: the law of really, really big numbers. Temkin notes that "240 schools is less than half of 1 percent," of the schools in the survey. "It's in the margin of error.""
The idea of lazy government employeees hitting "yes" to every survey question when it comes up, seems like it should fit well into your world view. |
"I think..." said Jeff Davis, i think isn't really an answer though, sounds like he's just making shit up to me
"And there's another factor at work as well: the law of really, really big numbers. Temkin notes that "240 schools is less than half of 1 percent," of the schools in the survey. "It's in the margin of error.""
if that's the case why not mention this before hand? why allow the narrative based on these findings to spiral out of control as it has?
"seems like it should fit well into your world view"
and what worldview is that?
sc94597 said:
The number is not rising. NPR: Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It's Not a Growing Epidemic "There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools." |
fair enough but can we agree that just 1 school shooting a year is still too many?
o_O.Q said:
fair enough but can we agree that just 1 school shooting a year is still too many? |
I'll take great comfort in the number of murdered children being more acceptable.
P.S. Article comments on "multiple-victims shootings" specifically, while also noting the number of shootings total is going up. So... not much of a win
Well, that's all right then. My Thoughts and prayers button can get some rest.
Tulipanzo said:
I'll take great comfort in the number of murdered children being more acceptable. |
that's not really true though depending on the person, people who are for gun control tend(according to what i have seen) not to care too much about the children murdered in other countries by their government with guns, bombs etc etc etc once its to oust a "dictator" or even heinous acts done by their government to their children
its all about how the murder/harm is framed and how stupid or inconsistent the person is with regards to their "principles"
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