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Do you believe in any god?

Yes 63 36.21%
 
No 111 63.79%
 
Total:174

God is a human creation. Gods were used to explain the unexplainable in old civilizations and the modern concept of God and religion is used in modern times to suppress and restrict and mold people into certain behaviors. So no, I do not think that God exists but I respect anybody that believes.




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JWeinCom said:
Eagle367 said:

Well to me that simply means you live your life as if God doesn't exist and if He does, then He doesn't interfere with humankind. You are making that choice whether you want to or not. Not choosing is a choice in itself. If you choose to be not 100% about God but still follow your life as if you're Muslim or Christian or Hindu or Jew, that's still a choice. So this choice affects your daily life whether you want it to or not

I'm not making a choice.

I don't choose what to believe.  I evaluate the evidence I see, and I make a decision.  For example, I believe that Australia exists.  I've never been there to confirm it, but there is an abundance of evidence.  Would you say I'm choosing to believe in Australia?  On the contrary, I don't believe Narnia exists.  Again, would this be a choice, or just an evaluation?

 Nobody has yet presented evidence to me that suggests a god is interfering with the world, so I don't believe in it.  I can't choose to believe even if I tried really hard.  At best, I could pretend to believe.  I could choose to follow a religion despite not believing in it, but that would be kind of bizarre wouldn't it?  

Can you prove to me that an nth dimension doesn't exist or does exist? Can you find evidence of another universe? No right. Hell you can't even see the entire universe only the parts whose light reaches us. So if that's so hard to observe and prove, what makes you think that you can do the same with the creator? Unless He wants it?



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Eagle367 said:
JWeinCom said:

I'm not making a choice.

I don't choose what to believe.  I evaluate the evidence I see, and I make a decision.  For example, I believe that Australia exists.  I've never been there to confirm it, but there is an abundance of evidence.  Would you say I'm choosing to believe in Australia?  On the contrary, I don't believe Narnia exists.  Again, would this be a choice, or just an evaluation?

 Nobody has yet presented evidence to me that suggests a god is interfering with the world, so I don't believe in it.  I can't choose to believe even if I tried really hard.  At best, I could pretend to believe.  I could choose to follow a religion despite not believing in it, but that would be kind of bizarre wouldn't it?  

Can you prove to me that an nth dimension doesn't exist or does exist? Can you find evidence of another universe? No right. Hell you can't even see the entire universe only the parts whose light reaches us. So if that's so hard to observe and prove, what makes you think that you can do the same with the creator? Unless He wants it?

If there is a god who interacts with the universe, but does so in a way specifically designed to avoid detection... Then I guess I couldn't detect it.

But, what reason could I possibly have to believe this god exists?  How could you tell the difference between an undetectable god, and a non-existent god?  

I also don't believe in an nth dimension or another universe, for largely the same reasons.  Why and how would/could I believe in something that cannot be detected?

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 29 August 2018

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SpokenTruth said:
WolfpackN64 said:

1. The argument isn't debunked. It receives criticism, but it is quite sturdy.

2. Your presentation of the Cosmological arguments is too simplistic.

A good short explanation would be (and note this is only one abridged form of the cosmological argument, there are many others):

1) Everything is caused and everything that causes is caused itself (these are contingent beings and events, who can cause and are caused).

2) These events of cause and effect happen in a chain (one is caused and causes further).

3) We can follow this chain backwards in time, since in the future, it goes on for eternity.

4) To start the chain, in the beginning, there must be a necessary being. One that causes but is naut caused itself.

5) This necessary being is necessary since if the chain could not begin with a contingent being or event (since it cannot cause itself)

6) This necessary being is God.

I can see people being critical of the jump between 5 and 6, but as you can see the argument is quite a bit more refined then what originally stated. The problem is many lay people have a wrong conception of the cosmological argument and attack it with the wrong arguments. The argument is still well debated up to this day.

Also meant to point out that number 1 contradicts number 5 and 6.  If your premise says "Everything is caused and everything that causes is caused itself" then God cannot cause himself.

The whole logic chain is built on cause and effect and then ends with an event that is caused by itself - God. 

It's not a contradiction because a first effect necessary being is uncaused. God does not need to cause himself, he always was. If he didn't exist, the nature of a necessary being would mean he couldn't bring himself into existence.



JWeinCom said:
Shaqazooloo0 said:
Yes, I believe in God
Why? because SSBM exists.

The actual reason though is because the way I interpret the world around me, I just feel like their is a God.

Based on our experiences of the world, it would be pretty reasonable to assume the Earth is static, at the center of the universe, and flat.  These are the most intuitive positions without studying the matter.  They're also wrong of course.  Our intuition (just feeling something) is usually a good way to go about things, but can mislead us.

Sorry for the late reply, haven't been online that much.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't get the point in essentially telling me "You know you could be wrong, right?" as if I wouldn't already be aware that my personal opinions or beliefs could be wrong, unless i'm misunderstanding...?

I believe there is a God and I respect if others don't believe, we all see the world differently and for me, it leads me to believe in God, I could be wrong and I acknowledge that.

I don't know if I want to say anything further, i'm not that good at articulating my thoughts...



Can't prove it, can't disprove it, so I don't think about it. Voted no, though.



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Shaqazooloo0 said:
JWeinCom said:

Based on our experiences of the world, it would be pretty reasonable to assume the Earth is static, at the center of the universe, and flat.  These are the most intuitive positions without studying the matter.  They're also wrong of course.  Our intuition (just feeling something) is usually a good way to go about things, but can mislead us.

Sorry for the late reply, haven't been online that much.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't get the point in essentially telling me "You know you could be wrong, right?" as if I wouldn't already be aware that my personal opinions or beliefs could be wrong, unless i'm misunderstanding...?

I believe there is a God and I respect if others don't believe, we all see the world differently and for me, it leads me to believe in God, I could be wrong and I acknowledge that.

I don't know if I want to say anything further, i'm not that good at articulating my thoughts...

  


You're right on that.  Just because your intuitions could be wrong isn't any reason to believe they are.

So, assuming we agree that your intuition can be right or wrong, how can we figure out which it is?

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 29 August 2018

No, I don't believe in god. I used to, but that was simply because I was brought up in an environment that demanded it. If you are taught from birth that something is true, you believe it to be true. As I've grown older, more independent, and taken the time to absorb the information at my disposal, I've abandoned any sort of religious beliefs. There's simply no good reason to believe in a god like being. And I'm content with that. The prospect of such a being, given the things we know about our world, and the universe we inhabit, would actually be a rather unpleasant thought. This god would very clearly be either a mad scientist, tinkering with forces it is still trying to fully comprehend, or a complete tyrant. Neither possibility is particularly appealing.

That said, if others derive some sense of peace from a belief in god, and their belief is a positive force in their life then good for them. I know this to be the case for most of my greater family, as well as many of my friends. I don't particularly care for the fact these beliefs were pushed on me as a child, and would prefer society as a whole abstained from impregnating their religious beliefs upon children, but whatever values and beliefs you keep for yourself are your business.