Dunno why the formatting is so loopy.
@Runa
"I've been informed I'm on my last warning, for having too much bias towards Sony and against Microsoft.
No. You were not.
"Nobody has explained to me beyond 'being too critical of microsoft' as a reason, so if it's something else nobody has informed me of it."
I'll quote myself...
"You need to focus your argument on ideas, and not on people. Jumping in to tell a user 'I just know I don't particularly like you' is textbook flaming, and is not acceptable. Keep your personal opinions about users to yourself, and if there's a flaw in their reasoning, focus on that."
I think that's a pretty clear explanation that goes way beyond "being too critical of Microsoft". Other mods have similarly given detailed explanations, and I know have PMed you in the past.
I literally got banned once for posting a point by point analysis of the PS4, Switch, and Xbone, comparing exclusives throughout the years...just raw data and some analysis of that data's trends, and I got banned because I rightly said Microsoft's output was poor, based on the data. I do not understand how this is flaming. I do not understand how this is in any way against any of the rules...but because it was me and I clearly have not been impressed by Microsoft to the point I'm rightly relentlessly critical of the company's decisions, it can be interpreted as flaming
Let's add some context...You were banned from Microsoft discussions.
So, you posted an analysis of Switch/PS4/XBox One in the Club Nintendo topic.
Raven (not a mod) politely explained the issue."This isn't a thread to be used for prepping people to engage in console wars or list wars of game ratings around the forum. I think people do a well enough job keeping the topic on Nintendo and the things people are looking forward to when it comes to Nintendo related games and topics, I'd prefer if that continued."
Since you stopped there, we didn't feel the need to do anything further.
You should have probably figured at this point that the Playstation Nation forum wasn't the place for that either, but apparently not... so you posted the same thing there. This is how you introduced your analysis...
"So, I figured I'd share some great PS (And Ninendo) data since some people have been asking me in PM to share some positivity. You all know by now how I'm very much so a person who tries to use data to explain why a thing is good - in this case the PS4 - so here's some proof."
And... let's see how it ended...
"Just some tasty, tasty data for you all to munch on and use if you ever wanna argue about Xbox vs Playstation. the numbers are all right there, it's not my fault Xbox can't diversify or release enough games to bolster their console.
Oh, and of those 24 games on Xbox's list? 13 of them are either Halo, Gears of War, or Forza games. They also have TitanFall, a handful of indies, and a few other games like Dead Rising 3 and Rare Replay and Sunset Overdrive. Notably absent from this list were games like Dead Rising 4 (72), Rise: Son of Rome (60), Crackdown 3 (60), State of Decay 2 (66), and Sea of Thieves (69). I can only go by the data, not the subjective opinion that 'it's better now'. There are a few Switch games below the threshold like Daemon X Machina (69), Fire Emblem Warriors (74), and Marvel Ultimate alliance 3 (73). So it's not like I was just cutting Xbox games off without cause. I set a number and the threshold for Green on Metacritic seems as good as one could expect."
So, you started off acting like you just wanted to share some positive Sony news (what this topic is for), but in reality, it seems like your main objective was to bash Microsoft. So, it's a bad faith post which is strike one.
Strike 2 is that, justified or not (I don't have access to your data, but I remember finding extremely sketchy details in their like iirc Nier Automata being listed for Sony twice in two different versions, despite the fact that Nier: Become as Gods is available on XBone and contains pretty much all the same content), that's not what this thread is for.
That's the problem in a nutshell. You don't think Microsoft's first party lineup is great. Fine. You were allowed to say so. You got into long drawn out conversations that wound up going in circles, so you were told to move on, and ignored multiple thread warnings. Then you brought it up in a Nintendo fan thread and were told that's really not what the thread is for. So, you brought it to the Playstation fan thread instead.
You're allowed to say you don't like MS first party software. I'm not super keen on it myself. But even without the over the top nature (I believe you've compared XBox fans to abused spouses and confederacy supporters at times) and the personal attacks, at a certain point a valid opinion on its own can become a problem if it's repeated over and over and in inappropriate places.
"if this isn't the case, if this isn't the real reason, and if this isn't why I'm constantly getting banned, nobody has taken the time to explain it to me. It is their site, if they want me gone because my criticism is ruining it for others, that's fine. It's their site. If they were just like 'hey, we don't like your negativity', then that'd be different. Instead they cite flaming as the reason when what I've done in the past is not flaming at all, just as an excuse to justify a ban."
Here are the quotes from some of the bans that have been for flaming...
"So yeah, you might be best to just not engage him. He writes as much as I do but has nothing to say, really. He's probably paid by the Xbox division to talk them up or something. It's the most logical explanation for his irrational love for the brand."
You are attacking the person and their motivations rather than anything they've said. Hence, flaming.
"I keep hearing about 'Sony's Lies' and people complaining about them and I can't help but laugh at you all. you're all just looking for excuses to bitch. Why? What good does negativity get you? Pathetic. Seriously pathetic."
Again, simply attacking people. That's flaming.
"You are literally a part of the problem that has been stopping the rest of us from making positive change in the world becuase of your outdated, ignorant views on many things, most notably your concept of masculinity."
Again, attacking a user, not their argument. And don't try the ol' "Well I was right they were being pathetic/he really is a shill/he really is preventing progress" because moderation is not based on whether or not we agree with your assessments.
You can argue with whether or not you consider them flaming, but don't act like we're just pulling this out of our ass. As I explained, focus on ideas and not on people. (Although I feel a couple of posts reported as flaming could have been better labeled as trolling).
"I've seen the bias on all sides, and what I say and do is NOWHERE NEAR as bad as like 95% of it on the site."
Nobody, you included, has been banned simply for being biased.
"So yeah, I'm still a little salty about it because even when I'm trying to be good or neutral or non-inflammatory, I keep getting banned. That's why I hardly post on here anymore. I always assume every post - no matter how benign - will get me banned. and now that I'm on the 'last warning' stage, I just assume I'll be booted at any time for having a preference, voicing that preference, and offering facts and data to support why I have that preference. But hey, if anyone has deeper insight into the problem I'd be happy to hear it! As of now, though, 'being too critical of microsoft' seems to be the culprit, as far as I can tell."
That's pretty much what everyone who gets banned says, and it gets old tbh. That we're just banning them cause we don't like their opinion or we just have some completely arbitrary dislike of a person who we only know by a screen name. But, really no.
You're getting banned because you frequently attack users instead of arguments, are often posting things in topics where they don't belong, and have trouble leaving well enough alone when a conversation is going in circles. There's your insight.
And your last ban was for complaining about moderation... so... that insight didn't help you, cause you're doing it again. We don't like to do that in threads because it puts us in a position where either we could ignore it and let your account go uncontradicted, or we could do what I'm doing now and reply and tell you that you cannot respond which makes it seem like we're being unfair. It's a lose lose.
I think the issues have been explained as clearly as possible. You could PM for further clarification, but I don't what else can be said.
To be clear...
Nobody should be responding to this in thread. If you have an issue, PM me, although I probably won't get back to you this week as I'll be busy. Thread is to talk about upcoming PlayStation stuff you're excited about, so do that.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 February 2021
