Replicant said:
DonFerrari said: The Jab Jim gave was using specific words to be dismissive of what MS was doing (saying like MS is throwing away indiscriminate money around to buy studios) while Sony is being smart by building their studios and winning prizes as sales.
The point of discussion was basically he saying that Sony don't have money to buy studios and was outbid by MS (for the first we know Sony have enough to buy the studios MS bought, perhaps ZeniMax would be a hard approval, and for the second there isn't any evidence that Sony tried to buy those studios or that these studios said they wanted to be bought).
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You're right. There isn't any evidence that Sonys was interested in acquiring Zenimax. And it would indeed differ quite a lot from their usual buyouts.
Though I do think coolbeans has a point in that Sony probably won't restrain themselves from buying 3rd parties if it makes sense business wise. And IF both Microsoft and Sony were to bid on a company like Zenimax, Sony obviously would have a hard time matching Microsoft's war chest.
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Yep, buying insomniac and interviews with they saying they are looking to buy other devs it is certain that they can buy other 3rd parties (and Jim didn't say they wouldn't buy other devs, just said they look from organically instead of indiscriminate buyouts).
Captain_Yuri said:
Looks like Black Ops Cold War has a minimum of 285GB of storage for the #PS5
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That is humungous, thanks god I don't intend to buy it.
coolbeans said:
DonFerrari said:
And you say I'm the one moving goal posts? I said it was unlikely that they were bidding for the same companies (yes MS and Sony), so the ones that MS bought there was no hint that Sony even tried to offer anything and same for Insomniac there is no sign that MS tried. You countered saying that companies were saying they wanted to be bought, which wasn't true for any of the afore mentioned companies and then you presented a company that first Sony wasn't listed among the ones that were interested in buying it and second decided not to sell. So your evidence doesn't really support your claim.
You said ZeniMax announced they were wishing to be purchased, so if you don't have any evidence of that them it is just you making speculation.
So all in all, you don't have any evidence that Sony tried to buy any of these companies and were outbid by MS, nor you can even prove that Sony strategy isn't doing organically growth.
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Yeah, and I'm still within reason. Right, but my response back to that came about how you could reach that belief in the face of this ZeniMax acquisition. Especially with what you've previously said in your last comment, it seems like you get the gist of what I'm saying: "If a big publisher with well-established IPs is communicating they're willing to be purchased, the bigger players are going to come to see if they've got a shot." Not to mention that this actually is true in respect to ZeniMax; Providence Equity Partners vocally communicated an interest in selling back in 2016. This isn't something I'm drawing out of a hat.
So all in all, I made a probabilistic claim (In all likelihood...) based on what seems like standard procedure for these *BIG* type of acquisitions and I didn't make this strawman you've now randomly accused me of saying. Seriously? I figured we were past that 'organically grown' part after I'd detailed my point 2 responses back and you not going any further in your previous response.
I may bow out of this particular topic b/c I respect Replicant's comment on this too. I just don't appreciate the disingenuous claim you finished with.
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Sure we can stop the discussion.
Dallinor said:
Replicant said:
You're right. There isn't any evidence that Sonys was interested in acquiring Zenimax. And it would indeed differ quite a lot from their usual buyouts.
Though I do think coolbeans has a point in that Sony probably won't restrain themselves from buying 3rd parties if it makes sense business wise. And IF both Microsoft and Sony were to bid on a company like Zenimax, Sony obviously would have a hard time matching Microsoft's war chest.
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Well I think that's fundamentally it. Financially and strategically a buyout like that doesn't seem like a good fit for Sony.
It makes sense for MS who are going multiplatform with their software, abandoning the need for traditional hardware and shifting their efforts to streaming.
Do companies not negotiate for the rights to enter into exclusive talks to buyout a company, giving time to broker a deal so other companies can't counter offer? I don't think(but correct me if I'm wrong) that's it's simply like going to an auction.
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Companies sign NDA so they can't disclose, discuss or anything related to the negotiation to any other company, person, etc (which prevents biding war and interferences) so I don't think they also sign saying they won't negotiate with any other company at the same time.