Never said sales = quality, but your premise was competition so sales is part of it. You also said Bayo 3 will get competition implying nothing that have already release could compete (and when you said Bayo2 is the best in the last 10 years that very much takes into account several GoW which still have more sales, good critics and reception) also new GoW have a lot of H&S after you clear a certain part of the game. Unless of course you want to keep putting additional points to disregard GoW and any other H&S.

Yes we can expect SH sometime in the future, so it wouldn't be "THE BIGGEST SURPRISE". You certainly love superlatives right? Bayo2 is the best in 10 years, only DMC5 have a chance to compete against Bayo3, Biggest surprise or no surprise at all. Have you ever heard of middle ground and reality?

You, yourself are again are implying things no one else said, as far as "nothing else competes with it". You like to do that a lot I see, and it can be hack and slash at certain parts=/= hack and slash game, essentially that isn't even the point though.

As for "biggest surprise" I did put probably, why are you putting absolutes to it? I'm open to other things being a bigger surprise, please quit putting words in my mouth.

Effectively at this point we aren't even discussing anything with me, you're making up reasons to discuss things with no one.

So "Bayonetta 3 has some competition is probably the most surprising thing that will happen all gen." doesn't imply that the other Hack and Slash games wouldn't be able to compete and now that DMC5 will release finally Bayo3 will get some?

Nope, it isn't "at certain parts", it is a hack and slash after you clear a portion. Still GoW is a Hack and Slash game even if you try to disqualify it.

MS already released more surprising info on 5 new studios and after 8 months of release of X1X openly say they are working on new console (which haven't ever happened to have a company to say so soon after last product).

Your opposite to "probably bigest surprise" was "no surprise at all", aren't those basically extremes that doesn't cover even near what I said with it having had releases in the previous 2 gens (with 2 at last gen) it wasn't the biggest surprise of the gen. I would say Kojima leaving Konami to go Sony, PT announcement (and cancelation), UC4 after saying they were done with UC, HZD from a team that only done FPS, very big change of gameplay for GoW are much bigger surprises than hey 6 main game in a franchise got announced, that is without considering what MS did on its conf this year (plus we having mid gen refreshes which wasn't expected at all).

You, yourself are again are implying things no one else said, as far as "nothing else competes with it". You like to do that a lot I see, and it can be hack and slash at certain parts=/= hack and slash game, essentially that isn't even the point though.

As for "biggest surprise" I did put probably, why are you putting absolutes to it? I'm open to other things being a bigger surprise, please quit putting words in my mouth.

Effectively at this point we aren't even discussing anything with me, you're making up reasons to discuss things with no one.

Hiku, to be genuinely surprised either because it was revealed or revealed this year is one thing. To call it the biggest surprise of the gen is completely another.

MS announcing 5 studios and project scarlet is much bigger surprise.

So "Bayonetta 3 has some competition is probably the most surprising thing that will happen all gen." doesn't imply that the other Hack and Slash games wouldn't be able to compete and now that DMC5 will release finally Bayo3 will get some?

Nope, it isn't "at certain parts", it is a hack and slash after you clear a portion. Still GoW is a Hack and Slash game even if you try to disqualify it.

MS already released more surprising info on 5 new studios and after 8 months of release of X1X openly say they are working on new console (which haven't ever happened to have a company to say so soon after last product).

Your opposite to "probably bigest surprise" was "no surprise at all", aren't those basically extremes that doesn't cover even near what I said with it having had releases in the previous 2 gens (with 2 at last gen) it wasn't the biggest surprise of the gen. I would say Kojima leaving Konami to go Sony, PT announcement (and cancelation), UC4 after saying they were done with UC, HZD from a team that only done FPS, very big change of gameplay for GoW are much bigger surprises than hey 6 main game in a franchise got announced, that is without considering what MS did on its conf this year (plus we having mid gen refreshes which wasn't expected at all).

What other game is directly competing with Bayonetta 3? 

No, Kojima leaving and all the aftermath was very expected if you kept up with what Konami was doing. 

What other game is directly competing with Bayonetta 3? 

No, Kojima leaving and all the aftermath was very expected if you kept up with what Konami was doing.