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selnor on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
Kyros said:
@HappySqurriel

you bring on Zelda screenshots and argue that they look much better than last-gen games? You know that Zelda is a Gamecube game that only has motion controls on the Wii? It looks almost exactly the same on Wii and on Gamecube if I am not mistaken (Wii has 16:9 or something). PErsonally I think the second to last GoW screenshot looks the best from all but perhaps that is so because I loved God of War2.
But in the end: Yes the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, than the Gamecube, probably even the XBOX. But it is much nearer to them (esp. the XBOX) than to the 360/PS3/actual gaming PCs. I look at your screenshots and I see some differences but hardly in the same league as when you compare them to the almost perfect Gran Turismo screenshot above. Do you agree?

That even proofs further that the wii is alot more advanced graphically than the ps2. I say the difference between the wii and ps2 is the exact same difference between the wii and hd consoles. This is first year wii graphics btw going against 6th year ps2 graphics , and it's still pulling superior. It takes about 2-3yrs to get the most out of a consoles graphics.

This comment is so funny. Your so far from the reality it's hard to take you seriously. The difference between Wii and HD consoles is far greater than Wii to PS2.

 


Back up your statement with things called details.

Ok mr details. Before I do I would like to say I love the wii. But in no way is the wii about graphics. Right. Nintendo wii specs:  

Processors:

Memory:

Ports and peripheral capabilities:

  • Up to four Wii Remote controllers (connected wirelessly via Bluetooth)
  • Nintendo GameCube controller ports (4)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card slots (2)
  • SD memory card slot
  • USB 2.0 ports (2)
  • Sensor Bar power port
  • Accessory port on bottom of Wii Remote
  • Optional USB keyboard input in message board, Wii Shop Channel, and the Internet Channel (as of 3.0 and 3.1 firmware update)[62]
  • Mitsumi DWM-W004 WiFi 802.11b/g wireless module[63]
  • Compatible with optional USB 2.0 to Ethernet LAN adaptor
  • Multi-output port for component, composite or S-Video

Built-in content ratings systems:

Storage:

  • 512 MB built-in NAND flash memory
  • Expanded storage via SD card memory (up to 2 GB)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card (required for GameCube game saves)
IBM's Wii "Broadway" CPU
ATI's Wii "Hollywood" GPU
  • Slot-loading disc drive compatible with 8 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc
  • Mask ROM by Macronix[64]

Video:

Audio:

Power consumption:

  • 18 watts when switched on[70]
  • 1.3 watts in standby[70]
 

 Xbox 360 :

 

Хboх 360 System Performance - Draft
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
  • 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
  • 2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
  • 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
  • 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
  • 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
  • 9 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
  • 500 MHz
  • 10 MB embedded DRAM
  • 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
  • Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
  • 500 million triangles per second
Pixel Fill Rate
  • 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA
Shader Performance
  • 48 billion shader operations per second
Memory
  • 512 MB GDDR3 RAM
  • 700 MHz DDR
  • Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
  • 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
  • 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
  • 21.6 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating-Point Performance
  • 1 TFLOP
Storage
  • Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive
  • 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM
  • Memory unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
  • Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers
  • 3 USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 memory unit slots
Optimized for Online
  • Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
  • Built in Ethernet Port
  • Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
  • Video Camera Ready
Digital Media Support
  • Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
  • Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs
  • Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive
  • Custom playlists in every game
  • Windows Media Center Extender built in
  • Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers
HD Game Support
  • All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
  • Standard definition and high definition video output supported
Audio
  • Multichannel surround sound output
  • Supports 48 KHz 16-bit audio
  • 320 independent decompression channels
  • 32-bit audio processing
  • Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation
  • Stands vertically or horizontally
Customizable Face Plates
  • Interchangeable to personalize the console

 



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selnor on 13 April 2008

Now that is a massive difference



Million on 13 April 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Million said:
@HappySquirrel , I won't dispute that with you since I can't be bothered to compare screenshots , but generaly you can't deny that i'm infact correct.

You want a screenshot comparison:


 

People thought that WoW was better in terms of graphics ? lol yeah F1ckin right , they musta be too busy playing 80 hours to realised the difference.



jake_the_fake1 on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
Million said:
@ FJ , I never said the PS2 version looked better , I said I didn't think those pics where very good representations of how superior the Wii is to the PS2 , I mean the graphical leap was neglible in those screenshots , honestly.

Forget all the technical crap , the Wii screenshots only looks slightly better than the GoW one.

Um isn't the title of the thread technicaly. Seriously it's the technical stuff that pushes a console not how good it looks.


 Exactly right.

The technical gap between the wii and the PS3/360 is big.

The PS3/360 can handle more polygons, more textures, more lighting, more draw distance, more AI,  etc, than what the Wii can handle, and it all simply comes down to the hardware each console has, there is no denying that the hardware in the PS3/360 is simply more powerful than the wii hardware, and by that right they can achieve allot more things technically than the wii and to say other wise is foolish and well...just a blind fanboy. 

Now all those that for some reason want or expect the wii to have PS3/360 like visuals, here's a question, why do you have those expectations?

I mean from the get go Nintendo was about gameplay over graphics, Nintendo made that quite clear with the wii specs, so I don't really understand why people would then buy a wii and then expect it to have the visuals of it's competitors but at 480p, it makes no sense, I mean it's not like Nintendo this generation went the graphics route, so to expect it to have the graphics of its competitors is almost an admission that either they bought the wrong console, or simply are graphic whores in denial and just wish their chosen console pleased the graphic whore in them.

Now I'm not saying the wii has crap graphics, cause their are games that prove that the wii is capable of providing some good looking graphics, but their simply is no denying that the PS3 and 360 are simply capable of producing even better graphics, in essence, anything the wii can do the PS3 and 360 can do better, speaking technically that is and of course not involving the controls.

my 2 cents on the matter :) 



sc94597 on 13 April 2008
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
Kyros said:
@HappySqurriel

you bring on Zelda screenshots and argue that they look much better than last-gen games? You know that Zelda is a Gamecube game that only has motion controls on the Wii? It looks almost exactly the same on Wii and on Gamecube if I am not mistaken (Wii has 16:9 or something). PErsonally I think the second to last GoW screenshot looks the best from all but perhaps that is so because I loved God of War2.
But in the end: Yes the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, than the Gamecube, probably even the XBOX. But it is much nearer to them (esp. the XBOX) than to the 360/PS3/actual gaming PCs. I look at your screenshots and I see some differences but hardly in the same league as when you compare them to the almost perfect Gran Turismo screenshot above. Do you agree?

That even proofs further that the wii is alot more advanced graphically than the ps2. I say the difference between the wii and ps2 is the exact same difference between the wii and hd consoles. This is first year wii graphics btw going against 6th year ps2 graphics , and it's still pulling superior. It takes about 2-3yrs to get the most out of a consoles graphics.

This comment is so funny. Your so far from the reality it's hard to take you seriously. The difference between Wii and HD consoles is far greater than Wii to PS2.

 


Back up your statement with things called details.

Ok mr details. Before I do I would like to say I love the wii. But in no way is the wii about graphics. Right. Nintendo wii specs:

Processors:

Memory:

Ports and peripheral capabilities:

  • Up to four Wii Remote controllers (connected wirelessly via Bluetooth)
  • Nintendo GameCube controller ports (4)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card slots (2)
  • SD memory card slot
  • USB 2.0 ports (2)
  • Sensor Bar power port
  • Accessory port on bottom of Wii Remote
  • Optional USB keyboard input in message board, Wii Shop Channel, and the Internet Channel (as of 3.0 and 3.1 firmware update)[62]
  • Mitsumi DWM-W004 WiFi 802.11b/g wireless module[63]
  • Compatible with optional USB 2.0 to Ethernet LAN adaptor
  • Multi-output port for component, composite or S-Video

Built-in content ratings systems:

Storage:

  • 512 MB built-in NAND flash memory
  • Expanded storage via SD card memory (up to 2 GB)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card (required for GameCube game saves)
IBM's Wii "Broadway" CPU
ATI's Wii "Hollywood" GPU
  • Slot-loading disc drive compatible with 8 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc
  • Mask ROM by Macronix[64]

Video:

Audio:

Power consumption:

  • 18 watts when switched on[70]
  • 1.3 watts in standby[70]

Xbox 360 :

 

Хboх 360 System Performance - Draft
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
  • 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
  • 2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
  • 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
  • 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
  • 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
  • 9 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
  • 500 MHz
  • 10 MB embedded DRAM
  • 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
  • Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
  • 500 million triangles per second
Pixel Fill Rate
  • 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA
Shader Performance
  • 48 billion shader operations per second
Memory
  • 512 MB GDDR3 RAM
  • 700 MHz DDR
  • Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
  • 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
  • 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
  • 21.6 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating-Point Performance
  • 1 TFLOP
Storage
  • Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive
  • 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM
  • Memory unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
  • Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers
  • 3 USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 memory unit slots
Optimized for Online
  • Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
  • Built in Ethernet Port
  • Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
  • Video Camera Ready
Digital Media Support
  • Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
  • Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs
  • Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive
  • Custom playlists in every game
  • Windows Media Center Extender built in
  • Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers
HD Game Support
  • All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
  • Standard definition and high definition video output supported
Audio
  • Multichannel surround sound output
  • Supports 48 KHz 16-bit audio
  • 320 independent decompression channels
  • 32-bit audio processing
  • Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation
  • Stands vertically or horizontally
Customizable Face Plates
  • Interchangeable to personalize the console

 

How about you fine official nintendo wii specs. ALso while you are at it why don't you just not compare specs at all seeing as you are using an elementary process of comparing them , and saying you are right. ALso why don't YOU explain to me rather than getting some specs and splattering them on the forum.

 



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HappySqurriel on 13 April 2008
Million said:
HappySqurriel said:
Million said:
@HappySquirrel , I won't dispute that with you since I can't be bothered to compare screenshots , but generaly you can't deny that i'm infact correct.

You want a screenshot comparison:


 

People thought that WoW was better in terms of graphics ? lol yeah F1ckin right , they musta be too busy playing 80 hours to realised the difference.

People thought it "Looked" better in terms of art and style, something that (it appears) you can not understand ...

 



sc94597 on 13 April 2008
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
@ FJ , I never said the PS2 version looked better , I said I didn't think those pics where very good representations of how superior the Wii is to the PS2 , I mean the graphical leap was neglible in those screenshots , honestly.

Forget all the technical crap , the Wii screenshots only looks slightly better than the GoW one.

Um isn't the title of the thread technicaly. Seriously it's the technical stuff that pushes a console not how good it looks.


Exactly right.

The technical gap between the wii and the PS3/360 is big.

The PS3/360 can handle more polygons, more textures, more lighting, more draw distance, more AI, etc, than what the Wii can handle, and it all simply comes down to the hardware each console has, there is no denying that the hardware in the PS3/360 is simply more powerful than the wii hardware, and by that right they can achieve allot more things technically than the wii and to say other wise is foolish and well...just a blind fanboy.

Now all those that for some reason want or expect the wii to have PS3/360 like visuals, here's a question, why do you have those expectations?

I mean from the get go Nintendo was about gameplay over graphics, Nintendo made that quite clear with the wii specs, so I don't really understand why people would then buy a wii and then expect it to have the visuals of it's competitors but at 480p, it makes no sense, I mean it's not like Nintendo this generation went the graphics route, so to expect it to have the graphics of its competitors is almost an admission that either they bought the wrong console, or simply are graphic whores in denial and just wish their chosen console pleased the graphic whore in them.

Now I'm not saying the wii has crap graphics, cause their are games that prove that the wii is capable of providing some good looking graphics, but their simply is no denying that the PS3 and 360 are simply capable of producing even better graphics, in essence, anything the wii can do the PS3 and 360 can do better, speaking technically that is and of course not involving the controls.

my 2 cents on the matter :)

That would be valid if that was what we were doing. We were comparing the ps2 , and the wii rather than the wii , and the hd consoles. Nobody said the wii was capable of the same things as the hd consoles.

 



selnor on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
Kyros said:
@HappySqurriel

you bring on Zelda screenshots and argue that they look much better than last-gen games? You know that Zelda is a Gamecube game that only has motion controls on the Wii? It looks almost exactly the same on Wii and on Gamecube if I am not mistaken (Wii has 16:9 or something). PErsonally I think the second to last GoW screenshot looks the best from all but perhaps that is so because I loved God of War2.
But in the end: Yes the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, than the Gamecube, probably even the XBOX. But it is much nearer to them (esp. the XBOX) than to the 360/PS3/actual gaming PCs. I look at your screenshots and I see some differences but hardly in the same league as when you compare them to the almost perfect Gran Turismo screenshot above. Do you agree?

That even proofs further that the wii is alot more advanced graphically than the ps2. I say the difference between the wii and ps2 is the exact same difference between the wii and hd consoles. This is first year wii graphics btw going against 6th year ps2 graphics , and it's still pulling superior. It takes about 2-3yrs to get the most out of a consoles graphics.

This comment is so funny. Your so far from the reality it's hard to take you seriously. The difference between Wii and HD consoles is far greater than Wii to PS2.

 


Back up your statement with things called details.

Ok mr details. Before I do I would like to say I love the wii. But in no way is the wii about graphics. Right. Nintendo wii specs:

Processors:

Memory:

Ports and peripheral capabilities:

  • Up to four Wii Remote controllers (connected wirelessly via Bluetooth)
  • Nintendo GameCube controller ports (4)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card slots (2)
  • SD memory card slot
  • USB 2.0 ports (2)
  • Sensor Bar power port
  • Accessory port on bottom of Wii Remote
  • Optional USB keyboard input in message board, Wii Shop Channel, and the Internet Channel (as of 3.0 and 3.1 firmware update)[62]
  • Mitsumi DWM-W004 WiFi 802.11b/g wireless module[63]
  • Compatible with optional USB 2.0 to Ethernet LAN adaptor
  • Multi-output port for component, composite or S-Video

Built-in content ratings systems:

Storage:

  • 512 MB built-in NAND flash memory
  • Expanded storage via SD card memory (up to 2 GB)
  • Nintendo GameCube Memory Card (required for GameCube game saves)
IBM's Wii "Broadway" CPU
ATI's Wii "Hollywood" GPU
  • Slot-loading disc drive compatible with 8 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc
  • Mask ROM by Macronix[64]

Video:

Audio:

Power consumption:

  • 18 watts when switched on[70]
  • 1.3 watts in standby[70]

Xbox 360 :

 

Хboх 360 System Performance - Draft
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
  • 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
  • 2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
  • 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
  • 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
  • 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
  • 9 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
  • 500 MHz
  • 10 MB embedded DRAM
  • 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
  • Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
  • 500 million triangles per second
Pixel Fill Rate
  • 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA
Shader Performance
  • 48 billion shader operations per second
Memory
  • 512 MB GDDR3 RAM
  • 700 MHz DDR
  • Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
  • 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
  • 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
  • 21.6 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating-Point Performance
  • 1 TFLOP
Storage
  • Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive
  • 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM
  • Memory unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
  • Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers
  • 3 USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 memory unit slots
Optimized for Online
  • Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
  • Built in Ethernet Port
  • Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
  • Video Camera Ready
Digital Media Support
  • Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
  • Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs
  • Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive
  • Custom playlists in every game
  • Windows Media Center Extender built in
  • Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers
HD Game Support
  • All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
  • Standard definition and high definition video output supported
Audio
  • Multichannel surround sound output
  • Supports 48 KHz 16-bit audio
  • 320 independent decompression channels
  • 32-bit audio processing
  • Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation
  • Stands vertically or horizontally
Customizable Face Plates
  • Interchangeable to personalize the console

 

How about you fine official nintendo wii specs. ALso while you are at it why don't you just not compare specs at all seeing as you are using an elementary process of comparing them , and saying you are right. ALso why don't YOU explain to me rather than getting some specs and splattering them on the forum.

 

Because anyone in their right mind who understands these specs, will tell you the difference. And these specs are right. You want to nit pick go and get official specs from official sites and see theres no difference. These are facts in front of you. Not like you just saying a statement. 

 



leo-j on 13 April 2008

Hey guys can I have what your having I want to be high too =D



 

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superchunk on 13 April 2008

@million, from what I can see this thread has been about porting and multi-platform games. Thus, gameplay and sales performance are certainly important.