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FJ-Warez said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Is it any wonder some of us want to see a game made for the HD consoles ported to the Wii? Aside from Wii owners getting to try such a game, if a real effort is tried, we can see the results, and well see the results.

RE4 is about as good a comparison between the PS2 and GC as you can get (roughly same texture resolution, but better colors and polygons on the GC), so one to truly compare the Wii to the HD consoles would be the best way to settle this.

Better texture quality

Dynamic Lights

More polygons

Shadders (TEV unit in the GC)

Stable framerate

Res: 480 GC vs 240 PS2

 

It would be nice to see the limits of the Wii


Almost. Texture resolution is the same. I looked. A lot. This is because the texture compression, that the GC had and the PS2 lacked, is color based, so the systems could use the same texture resolution, but the Ps2 had to really cut back the color depth.

And the resolution is higher on the PS2, because it actually has a larger frame buffer and more pixel pipelines. That is why the PS2 version has widescreen, while the GC is the actual one with 240 vertical resolution.

Finally, the GC version does have framerate issues, just slightly less than on the PS2.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Well then why write a system can't handle the engine? If a developer is trying, an absolute word as "can't" shouldn't be used until we are sure.

So far, we only know Wii game's haven't used it. We have to wait to make any clear statements about that.

I said it can't UNTIL this licensee or another proves it wrong. There's no guarantee this licensee will successfully do it. Those no guarantee they won't. All we have to go on is that right now the Unreal Engine 3 does not run on the Wii and an attempt by a third party licensee is underway. Considering that we don't even know who this licensee is, or how serious this licensing job was to actually produce a working Wii-version of UE3, we don't know anything will actually come out of it. They could easily about-face and just use it towards a PS3 and/or Xbox 360 project if the results are substandard. Considering that Epic doesn't want to take the challenge themselves, should say something about their hopes of it working properly on the Wii. Mark Rein has been vocal about his negativity of having UE3 on the Wii.

What I was illustrating is that there are more barriers now to have it be that easy for the Wii to be the lead platform for multiplatform titles. As of today, as far as we all know, the middleware engine that is running a good majority of multiplatform titles, with only growth in sight, does not support the Wii. That is reality right now. Until that changes, that will stay reality, which will mean very many 360/PS3 titles will stay between themselves and a separate Wii version will be developed from the ground up if UE3 is used. 

 



Tag: Became a freaking mod and a complete douche, coincidentally, at the same time.



I didn't see the "until" part. My bad. Yet it will still be interesting to see what happens.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

leo-j said:

Ok if the wii is this powerhouse of a console, then how do explain why Mario kart wii doesnt look as good as mario kart on the Gamecube?


Edited your post because you couldn't find any screens where MKWii looked worse than MKDD I see.  Well don't worry, I was kind enough to grab a comparison for you...

Mario Kart Double Dash

Mario Kart Wii 



naznatips said:
FJ-Warez stop calling people fanboys. Makingmusic probably plays his Wii more than you do.

My two bits on this argument:

Graphics on all 3 consoles are pretty much capped out. Dev tools are significantly better this generation than they were the previous two, and it doesn't take 4 years to get the most out of a console anymore. You won't see much better than SMG/MP3/SSBB on Wii, Gears 2 on 360, or Killzone 2 on PS3.

With this in mind, comparing "First gen" Wii games to first gen PS2 games is pointless. Obviously the difference between the Wii and PS2 in raw power is not the same as that between the Wii and PS360 in raw power. That said, the Wii's GPU allows for a lot more advanced graphic effects than any last gen GPU did, and with this in mind, it's probably not too far off to say the difference between PS2 and Wii and Wii and PS360 is about the same.

I have to slightly disagree on the Wii portion. The games released so far have all been at 60fps. Chopping that in half will allow developers to push the system a bit further. I don't expect it to be dramatic, but definatly noticeable. Or am I wrong in assuming that dropping the framerate in half will give a large increase in power available for other graphical tasks? It won't double it, but 15-20% more power seems reasonable.



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naznatips said:
leo-j said:

Ok if the wii is this powerhouse of a console, then how do explain why Mario kart wii doesnt look as good as mario kart on the Gamecube?


Edited your post because you couldn't find any screens where MKWii looked worse than MKDD I see.  Well don't worry, I was kind enough to grab a comparison for you...

Mario Kart Double Dash

Mario Kart Wii 


, I cant post, but if you read any previews instead of posting ridiculasly biased pics, you would know that WII mario kart does not look as good as its GC predeccesor.



 

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naznatips said:
leo-j said:

Ok if the wii is this powerhouse of a console, then how do explain why Mario kart wii doesnt look as good as mario kart on the Gamecube?


Edited your post because you couldn't find any screens where MKWii looked worse than MKDD I see. Well don't worry, I was kind enough to grab a comparison for you...

Mario Kart Double Dash

Mario Kart Wii


That seems to indicate that ligting and effects are one of the main advances of the Wii over the GC, but those putting the Wii down claim the Wii isn't advanced in lighting and effects.

 

A pic can be biased? Like reality has a liberal bias? 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

leo-j said:
taxman said:
I think we should all agree that the Wii is twice as powerful as the PS2 and half as powerful as the PS360.

If PS2 is a 2, Wii is a 4 and PS360 is an 8...

Relative distance between Wii and PS2 is the same as Wii and PS360, but PS360 has a difference of 4 to the Wii but the Wii only has a difference os 2 to the PS2....

And everyone is happy and stop the pointless argument......

The problem is the PS3 is 27 times more powerful than the ps2, you know what this is pathetic.

The wii is nothing, its not even half as powerful as the PS3 or XBOX 360, You cannot compare its pathetic, CPU or GPU which arent even 1/4 the power of the 360 or ps3's GPU/CPU, on top of that it only has 128mb of ram, while both HD consoles have 512mb of ram.

The FACT IS the WII IS NOT powerful, ITS ABOUT THE SAME AS THE XBOX 1, Thats it, end of discussion.


The fact is you are using unconfirmed specs for the Wii, and even if the specs that we believe are correct, are in fact correct, they are still more powerful than the Xbox, simply because newer technology is more efficient and faster than older technology. A Pentium 3 processor at 500MHz is faster than a Pentium 2 processor at 500MHz, same with Pentium 3 to Pentium 4s. I wish I could find the comparisons that showed this, but alas google is failing me tonight. Yuo can't just look at numbers and make a fair and complete comparison. It just doesn't work.



leo-j said:

 


, I cant post, but if you read any previews instead of posting ridiculasly biased pics, you would know that WII mario kart does not look as good as its GC predeccesor.


Link to the previews or stop trolling.



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leo-j said:
naznatips said:
leo-j said:

Ok if the wii is this powerhouse of a console, then how do explain why Mario kart wii doesnt look as good as mario kart on the Gamecube?


Edited your post because you couldn't find any screens where MKWii looked worse than MKDD I see. Well don't worry, I was kind enough to grab a comparison for you...

Mario Kart Double Dash

 

Mario Kart Wii

 


, I cant post, but if you read any previews instead of posting ridiculasly biased pics, you would know that WII mario kart does not look as good as its GC predeccesor.


 Oh leo-j. xD

Dude, MKWii looks great, and its graphics are severly underrated, imo.  Why on earth would it look worse than MKDD?