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Consoles are about being cheap, not max power-savings. There is no reason to go to 7mm unless it becomes as cheap as 14nm.



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PS4 will never use 7nm. By that time, ps5 will be here, and factory alocation will be prioritying ps5 and pc market.



7nm this year for high margin devices. Basically devices that can or already sell at some sort of ridiculous premium.

7nm next year will become available for nearly everything else. Except consoles as yeilds would still be too pricey, unless of course either sony or MS intends to rush to market and bite the bullet on higher than could be chip costs. Though that would be silly cause that would mean they sacrifice on other things like say Ram....

2020 will see 7nm become mature enough (aka 7nm+) to meet the kinda volume production sony/ms will need for their consoles.

And the thing about the pro/slim using 7nm, well the thing is that a new fab node doesn't just automagically mean you can shrink everything. Millions still have to be spent on R&D and redesigning every single component in the PS4/PS4pro to make th emost from a 7nm APU process. Question is is that money better spent on a smaller PS4/PS4pro or on the PS5?



solidpumar said:
PS4 will never use 7nm. By that time, ps5 will be here, and factory alocation will be prioritying ps5 and pc market.

The PS4 doesn't die at the arrival of the PS5. There is still lots of money on the table if Sony manages to manufacture and push consoles into the market at let's say ~$100 per unit and sell them at $130 ($149 in stores/with retailer cut).

Obviously TSMC needs to have enough production capabilities (>reasonable prices per wafer), but I doubt that will be a problem come early 2020.



Lafiel said:
Kerotan said:
Thanks for the informative replies. Yeah Sony definitely won't be releasing the ps5 until the 7nm tech is ready for mass production. Could a ps4 Pro in say 2024 use 3nm?

no, as I said, the 5nm is facing lots of problems right now (that won't be resolved for years) and those will just get more complex in 3nm with highly increased quantum tunnel effects etc

Sorry I meant to say ps5 Pro for 5nm



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Kerotan said:

Any tech heads out there know if this technology is any closer to being used in a ps4? I believe Sony won't release a ps4 super slim or pro slim until they can use the 7nm tech. 

 

Also let's say ps5 is out in 2.5 years. Will that use 7nm aswell or can they go lower? 

I don't remember where exactly in the video it was mentioned, but I'm pretty sure Digital Foundry talk about it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixSVQwLaZw



https://wccftech.com/amd-sampling-7nm-zen-2-cpus-later-this-year-launching-in-2019/

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/7nm_vega_silicon_is_running_in_amd_s_hardware_labs/1



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Kerotan said:

Any tech heads out there know if this technology is any closer to being used in a ps4? I believe Sony won't release a ps4 super slim or pro slim until they can use the 7nm tech. 

 

Also let's say ps5 is out in 2.5 years. Will that use 7nm aswell or can they go lower? 

I would expect such a console next year if it were to happen.

HollyGamer said:

7nm to 5 nm is still possible for cheaper price   , below then that it's also possible but it will be expensive (moor law/ not worth it)   . 

So i believe they will using 7 nm  (it was previously mention by Digital foundry ) another reason is  AMD still struggling on 5 nm size.  

It's worth mentioning that these are often hybrid geometries that have been embellished for marketing purposes.

JRPGfan said:

Not just AMD everyone in the world is.
7nm so far is the best thats possible for mass production.

Intel are haveing trouble with 10nm..... it was supposed to be usable in 2016..... but now it looks like it wont be ready until 2019.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/27/17291040/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-chips-delayed-2019-cpu-processor

"Intel is once again delaying the release of its next-generation 10nm Cannon Lake processors, with mass production on the chips now expected for 2019 instead of the end of 2018."

Intels 10nm is going to be superior to TSMC's 7nm.
https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7191-iedm-2017-intel-versus-globalfoundries-leading-edge.html

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/246902-intel-claims-three-year-advantage-10nm-process-wants-change-define-process-nodes

Lafiel said:

no, as I said, the 5nm is facing lots of problems right now (that won't be resolved for years) and those will just get more complex in 3nm with highly increased quantum tunnel effects etc

Won't be an issue, because the 3nm chips won't actually be 3nm.
I mean, what you describe is a very real problem, but we are years away from being near that wall.




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Pemalite said:
Kerotan said:

Any tech heads out there know if this technology is any closer to being used in a ps4? I believe Sony won't release a ps4 super slim or pro slim until they can use the 7nm tech. 

 

Also let's say ps5 is out in 2.5 years. Will that use 7nm aswell or can they go lower? 

I would expect such a console next year if it were to happen.

HollyGamer said:

7nm to 5 nm is still possible for cheaper price   , below then that it's also possible but it will be expensive (moor law/ not worth it)   . 

So i believe they will using 7 nm  (it was previously mention by Digital foundry ) another reason is  AMD still struggling on 5 nm size.  

It's worth mentioning that these are often hybrid geometries that have been embellished for marketing purposes.

JRPGfan said:

Not just AMD everyone in the world is.
7nm so far is the best thats possible for mass production.

Intel are haveing trouble with 10nm..... it was supposed to be usable in 2016..... but now it looks like it wont be ready until 2019.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/27/17291040/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-chips-delayed-2019-cpu-processor

"Intel is once again delaying the release of its next-generation 10nm Cannon Lake processors, with mass production on the chips now expected for 2019 instead of the end of 2018."

Intels 10nm is going to be superior to TSMC's 7nm.
https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7191-iedm-2017-intel-versus-globalfoundries-leading-edge.html

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/246902-intel-claims-three-year-advantage-10nm-process-wants-change-define-process-nodes

Lafiel said:

no, as I said, the 5nm is facing lots of problems right now (that won't be resolved for years) and those will just get more complex in 3nm with highly increased quantum tunnel effects etc

Won't be an issue, because the 3nm chips won't actually be 3nm.
I mean, what you describe is a very real problem, but we are years away from being near that wall.


When you say they won't actually be 3nm is this like checkerboarding and the faux 4k?



I think Sony could be doing another shrink again and that could be PS4 super slim for $199 by the end of this year depending on TSMC's 7nm production capacity ...