better than locking it behind loot boxes
I've never played a game with progression, skill trees or other RPG elements where I didn't think it was an improvement.
I didn't care about RPG elements in the Mass Effect games, I let the game make upgrades for myself, I played those games for the story, and Mirandas a$$ LOL
Deus Ex (2000) - a game that pushes the boundaries of what the video game medium is capable of to a degree unmatched to this very day.
| Barkley said: I've never played a game with progression, skill trees or other RPG elements where I didn't think it was an improvement. |
I very much agree with this.
The world of warcraft talent system used to be immense, but now the options are limited to 3. Thats over simplifying if you ask me
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Horizon Zero Dawn had a bit of this. You had a skill tree with 50 or so slots. Halfway through the game you have 50 or so skill points to distribute. So much for variety. Still a nearly perfect game though.
| Mar1217 said: I admit, I choked laughing when you talk about Kapi as an example :P But anywoo, I think a skill tree or level system needs to give you some freedom of choice to implement the way you wanna play a game that suits yourself but won't give you everything on a silver plate by the end of the journey. The best example I've seen in a game recently is actually Shin Megami Tensei IV/Apocalypse. Each level you're given 5 points you can distrubute with 5 basic stats. Which means you can build your character towards a specific way of dealing with the battles later on (Physical build, magic build, etc ...). Also you're given 5 App points you can use to purchase "skill tree" abilities, but the catch is that you won't be able to get all of them so you need to make some sacrifices on what you think will be most suited for your playstyle (fusion-er, demon negotiator, expanding you demon slots, skill growth, etc ...). |
Yeah I like those kind of systems a lot. That's kind of in Etrian Odyssey (also Atlus)
I think the thing is that most of these games that implement a progression system would have a lot of their variety ruined if they actually locked content behind the system. So they just use it as a flimsy level up mechanic rather than a system to make actual choices with. Games like this generally just shouldn't have such mechanics, because if you're game is going to be worsened by a leveling system with actual depth, you just shouldn't add the system at all.
I generally dislike games that abstract real time combat like this.
Games can be more than damage values, and health points.
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