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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
irstupid said: 

Companies don't make decisions based on how well they can compare the potential of one console platform to others. And ultimately, From Software probably knows they are going to take some hit on the Switch by not having a simultaneous release. Also, I think it's a bit unfair to say companies do x for other consoles but won't do it for Nintendo. Notice how you said "other platforms". Plural. A company wouldn't delay a game for one platform while multiple platforms are waiting to be served. And even if they did, it would be for a platform like the PS4, which is a juggernaught for third party sales (I'm not the ones making these kind of distinctions btw, that's going by third party logic).

That being said, I agree. That is one of the reasons I'm personally a bit disappointed that it isn't coming to Switch at the same time as other consoles. Because it would be interesting to see how close it can do at parity release date. Of course, in my very comment, I said that it is fine to be disappointed. A lot of the disappointment around this delay is pretty normal, and rational. Some of it isn't, and I felt it was obvious that was what I was replying to. 

I and others don't give a fuck what copmanies decisions are based on. That is not why we are upset. We are thinkning from a purely consumer point of view.

Nintendo fans have constantly been given the shaft in terms of multiplats. They are either hugely gimped, or super late. We get an anouncment for a SF2, the others get a street fighter collection. We get a Mass Effect 3 announcement and others get a Mass Effect Trilogy. We get Rayman Legends early, oh wait, no they delayed it to release simultanious with other systems.

Fuck the company reasons, that is not what the bitching is about.  I don't give a shit about their reasons, whether they make sense or not. Whether there is a reason or not, financially or development problems wise. The point is that the Nintendo consumer constantly gets the shaft in regards to multiplats/ports.

Us consumers want to have a comparison to see if a 3rd party game can sell as well on a nintendo system as others. It is US, not the fucking company that wants to compare. To see how dark souls would sell on the Switch versus the PS4. We can not have a fair comparison if one version comes out months later. Even if the Switch version sells more, it is still not a fair comparison. We want to see and prove to companies that the switch is a viable console for their games to release on. 



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Pavolink said:

I'm happy to see many third parties commiting to release something on the Switch.

But after the wii u wii u wii u, some are very scared this could end in the same way: zero third party support and few first party efforts.

It is funny how it turned out. Crash, Dark Souls, DOOM, Wolfenstein 2, all before games like Final Fantasy ... lmao. 

I can understand why people would be scared. They are right to be skeptical. Without sounding like Alex Jones, you should generally always be skeptical about corporations to some degree. Personally I'm hoping the online works properly. Even the original DS had problems with online. I'm hoping they can find a way to keep the online active and good. 



meh wasn't buying this game anyway



irstupid said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Companies don't make decisions based on how well they can compare the potential of one console platform to others. And ultimately, From Software probably knows they are going to take some hit on the Switch by not having a simultaneous release. Also, I think it's a bit unfair to say companies do x for other consoles but won't do it for Nintendo. Notice how you said "other platforms". Plural. A company wouldn't delay a game for one platform while multiple platforms are waiting to be served. And even if they did, it would be for a platform like the PS4, which is a juggernaught for third party sales (I'm not the ones making these kind of distinctions btw, that's going by third party logic).

That being said, I agree. That is one of the reasons I'm personally a bit disappointed that it isn't coming to Switch at the same time as other consoles. Because it would be interesting to see how close it can do at parity release date. Of course, in my very comment, I said that it is fine to be disappointed. A lot of the disappointment around this delay is pretty normal, and rational. Some of it isn't, and I felt it was obvious that was what I was replying to. 

I and others don't give a fuck what copmanies decisions are based on. That is not why we are upset. We are thinkning from a purely consumer point of view.

Nintendo fans have constantly been given the shaft in terms of multiplats. They are either hugely gimped, or super late. We get an anouncment for a SF2, the others get a street fighter collection. We get a Mass Effect 3 announcement and others get a Mass Effect Trilogy. We get Rayman Legends early, oh wait, no they delayed it to release simultanious with other systems.

Fuck the company reasons, that is not what the bitching is about.  I don't give a shit about their reasons, whether they make sense or not. Whether there is a reason or not, financially or development problems wise. The point is that the Nintendo consumer constantly gets the shaft in regards to multiplats/ports.

Us consumers want to have a comparison to see if a 3rd party game can sell as well on a nintendo system as others. It is US, not the fucking company that wants to compare. To see how dark souls would sell on the Switch versus the PS4. We can not have a fair comparison if one version comes out months later. Even if the Switch version sells more, it is still not a fair comparison. We want to see and prove to companies that the switch is a viable console for their games to release on. 

The Street Fighter Collection is coming to Switch though?!? It sounds like the issue is though that you link your identity to Nintendo, you need to separate them.



irstupid said:

I and others don't give a fuck what copmanies decisions are based on. That is not why we are upset. We are thinkning from a purely consumer point of view.

Nintendo fans have constantly been given the shaft in terms of multiplats. They are either hugely gimped, or super late. We get an anouncment for a SF2, the others get a street fighter collection. We get a Mass Effect 3 announcement and others get a Mass Effect Trilogy. We get Rayman Legends early, oh wait, no they delayed it to release simultanious with other systems.

Fuck the company reasons, that is not what the bitching is about.  I don't give a shit about their reasons, whether they make sense or not. Whether there is a reason or not, financially or development problems wise. The point is that the Nintendo consumer constantly gets the shaft in regards to multiplats/ports.

Us consumers want to have a comparison to see if a 3rd party game can sell as well on a nintendo system as others. It is US, not the fucking company that wants to compare. To see how dark souls would sell on the Switch versus the PS4. We can not have a fair comparison if one version comes out months later. Even if the Switch version sells more, it is still not a fair comparison. We want to see and prove to companies that the switch is a viable console for their games to release on. 

The irony in this is, I completely agree 100% with this specific idea: "We are thinkning from a purely consumer point of view."

I absolutely hate it when people excuse companies by saying some bullshit about how companies can get away with it because they're companies. Just as companies are trying the best they can to get as much money as possible, consumers have to try the best they can to get the best treatment, care, and product as much as possible. And there's almost never an excuse that makes sense with the "but but it's a company" line of thought. 

That being said, I'm not saying that such extreme opinions are bad because I care about the company. I'm saying them because they are my opinion. I don't think it's wrong for them to release it on other platforms first if they are having some trouble with Switch. Quite frankly, I think most people are overreacting because it is just a delay of a few months, but that's just me. And I think that the fact you seem so angry because you want to see third party sales with parity release dates so bad ... is ... a bit extreme. But I will not convince you of that, and frankly I don't care to. I just think the reply you quoted was fair and true, and it was meant for extremists, not normal people. 



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Nintendo only gamers should be used to this by now, I don't see the where the outrage is coming from.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Pavolink said:

I'm happy to see many third parties commiting to release something on the Switch.

But after the wii u wii u wii u, some are very scared this could end in the same way: zero third party support and few first party efforts.

It is funny how it turned out. Crash, Dark Souls, DOOM, Wolfenstein 2, all before games like Final Fantasy ... lmao. 

I can understand why people would be scared. They are right to be skeptical. Without sounding like Alex Jones, you should generally always be skeptical about corporations to some degree. Personally I'm hoping the online works properly. Even the original DS had problems with online. I'm hoping they can find a way to keep the online active and good. 

Well Final Fantasy hasn't touched a Nintendo platform with anything resembling a relevant release in...well over a decade?

That those games - a game no one believed would be allowed, an entry in a franchise never seen on a Nintendo console, and two ports believed to be impossible - beat Dragon Quext XI out the gate, now that's funny.  In a sad and tragic kinda way.  

And I personally have never believed conspiracy is behind any of this.  Incompetent management, lack of effort, or a complete lack of resources is usually where I put it.  I think Bandai falls in the last of those three with regards to this.  I get a feeling they farmed this out to the lowest bidder who had any skill to pull it off and we're seeing the fruits of that here.  I doubt anyone from From Software is even involved.  



Nuvendil said:

Well Final Fantasy hasn't touched a Nintendo platform with anything resembling a relevant release in...well over a decade?

That those games - a game no one believed would be allowed, an entry in a franchise never seen on a Nintendo console, and two ports believed to be impossible - beat Dragon Quext XI out the gate, now that's funny.  In a sad and tragic kinda way.  

And I personally have never believed conspiracy is behind any of this.  Incompetent management, lack of effort, or a complete lack of resources is usually where I put it.  I think Bandai falls in the last of those three with regards to this.  I get a feeling they farmed this out to the lowest bidder who had any skill to pull it off and we're seeing the fruits of that here.  I doubt anyone from From Software is even involved.  

Well just any game like Final Fantasy really. We've gotten a few titles but the third party support we got in the first year and few months was way different than what most expected. 

I'm not saying you literally believe in a conspiracy. I was just saying that we should always be skeptical to some degree of companies. 

Edit: Actually, I am curious how you can say that the developer of this port is lousy when they are working at a similar time frame to other third party developers, and Skyrim was also a 7th gen game?

Last edited by AngryLittleAlchemist - on 17 April 2018

Wow this thread is on fire.



With the Valkyria, DQ delays and now this, it's clear that Switch versions are giving trouble to 3rd party developers/publishers pretty much everywhere. That Bamco's comment on Dark Souls is further evidence that it's difficult to have a PS4-based game run in handheld mode. Longer development means higher cost, and sales prospects for 3rd party games aren't that brilliant seeing COMG and recent records of Switch 3rd software sales, so ultimately that's lower margin for those companies. It will be interesting to see how they will react in 6 months/1 year.