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Forums - Politics Discussion - NYC must pay 180K$ to 3 Muslim women forced to remove hijabs for mugshots

Ka-pi96 said:
Absolutely ridiculous that peoples "beliefs" are making them immune to actually following laws. The us should be ashamed of itself right now!

Believe me, we are. Lots of shameful garbage going on here right now. 



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StuOhQ said:
It's funny that people explode without reading the article. The police simply have to offer a private photo with a same gender officer when booking... That is all. No one is above the law, the law is simply making sure that it doesn't infringe upon religious rights as it operates.

This isn't the same as a "gay cake" episode, etcetera, as there is only one actor involved. In that case, a baker can't evoke their religious freedom to violate another person's civil rights by choosing who to sell cakes to based on gender, religion, race, etc.

This case simply involves how the law should react in relation to individual religious rights. Seems pretty clear cut to me and not sure why it's in the "politics" section.

It's not that hard people.

And they had no female officer, and the Mug shot camera is screwed into a stationary spot. What do they do if they can't comply? Have her sit in booking for 24 hours until a female office comes in? Clear out the entire precinct of all people except females so that they can take their photo, due to it not being able to be moved to a private location?

Probably get sued for either one as well for some reason. But lets say they do comply to those requests. Then what? Her face is now on camera. Can she sue again if they show that mug shot on the news. What happens when its in a file and a male office is assigned to the case. He opens up the file and sees her face. Is he infringing on her religious rights?



irstupid said:
Tulipanzo said:
Good, should show what happens when you fuck up on duty.

When you mess up on duty?

I would hardly call making someone remove a head covering so that they can get a mug shot of a criminal fucking up.

And just an FYI, this payout means that us citizens paid for it. That money comes out of our paychecks. Or at least those in New York City paying for that department. The government, city, law enforcement, ect getting sued is never a win for us citizens unless it results in a law change for the better.

In this case, a law change should be made that they should be forced to remove their headwear and take a mug shot.

They can already ask to show hair to determine hair color, and by all accounts a cop should know this.
A mug shot is for identification, i.e. your face should be seen. You shouldn't be passing more laws, you should train your cops better.



This is an abuse of courts, public safety comes before any right to use a mask or any other concealing of face. One can keep its face covered at home.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ronster316 said:
Crock of shit......... you are in the USA.,.... take off your oppressive garment...... and you paid them? MUGS..!!!! simple.

Do as we want you to. Shut up. Don't complain. And take off those "oppressive" garments that you want to wear. Want to cover up your body? Fuck you. You have no right. We don't tolerate oppressive behaviour here. 



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DonFerrari said:
This is an abuse of courts, public safety comes before any right to use a mask or any other concealing of face. One can keep its face covered at home.

unless it was the ninja hijab, i can see your point, but you can tell somebody face clearly with regular hijab on. anyway lucky them, what a come up.



 

bananaking21 said:
Ronster316 said:
Crock of shit......... you are in the USA.,.... take off your oppressive garment...... and you paid them? MUGS..!!!! simple.

Do as we want you to. Shut up. Don't complain. And take off those "oppressive" garments that you want to wear. Want to cover up your body? Fuck you. You have no right. We don't tolerate oppressive behaviour here. 

I'll create my religion where one must use ski mask and helmet when on the street, I bet I'll get a lot of followers.

quickrick said:
DonFerrari said:
This is an abuse of courts, public safety comes before any right to use a mask or any other concealing of face. One can keep its face covered at home.

unless it was the ninja hijab, i can see your point, but you can tell somebody face clearly with regular hijab on. anyway lucky them, what a come up.

Burka is also a religious garment and it covers up much of the face... and guess what, when you don't have your full head exposed it is a lot harder to really distinguish the person.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

...then they should go back to the country where an oppressive regime incarcerates inhumanly, tortures and rapes its citizens. They dont take mugshots there.



Hunting Season is done...

DonFerrari said:

 

bananaking21 said:

Do as we want you to. Shut up. Don't complain. And take off those "oppressive" garments that you want to wear. Want to cover up your body? Fuck you. You have no right. We don't tolerate oppressive behaviour here. 

I'll create my religion where one must use ski mask and helmet when on the street, I bet I'll get a lot of followers.

quickrick said:

unless it was the ninja hijab, i can see your point, but you can tell somebody face clearly with regular hijab on. anyway lucky them, what a come up.

Burka is also a religious garment and it covers up much of the face... and guess what, when you don't have your full head exposed it is a lot harder to really distinguish the person.

i mean you can say the same thing for someone with  a beard, or cutting there hair bold. face should be enough to identify a person, should someone  who has a big beard or long hair have to shave.

 

 

not hard to  distinguish  at all. now on the ninja hijab, that of course, can't be allowed, because you can't tell who the person is.

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quickrick said:
DonFerrari said:

 

I'll create my religion where one must use ski mask and helmet when on the street, I bet I'll get a lot of followers.

Burka is also a religious garment and it covers up much of the face... and guess what, when you don't have your full head exposed it is a lot harder to really distinguish the person.

i mean you can say the same thing for someone with  a beard, or cutting there hair bold. face should be enough to identify a person, should someone  who has a big beard or long hair have to shave.

 

 

not hard to  distinguish  at all.

If you present an id and can't be recognizable (be it because of beard) you may be refused when coming to a different country or be conducted to precinct to clarify who you are.

this http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2222536-3x2-940x627.jpg is also religious and they would be allowed to use it... quite easy for any criminal to walk around like this and do some crime right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."