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Famine said:
Kasz216 said:
Famine said:

Naughty Dog based the game off of Somali Pirates.

I think if they made the pirates white it would have been more racist because, well, what white pirates do you hear about in the news aside from working at Long John Silver? Also, a great chunk of the game takes place in Asia, so....

Not too many colored protaganists, nor too many colored antagonists in video games.


Your kidding right? There are plenty of white pirates. Piracy is something that all nations like to get in on.

Also... basing something on the opposite of a stereotype isn't racism.

 


Like I said, what white pirates do you hear about in the news?

The latest news almost always pertains to Somali pirates, especially now with that French yacht incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd#2008

Perhaps it's due to being in the US but I hear about them more.  That's not counting the just random acts of piracy that happen.

That's not even counting just the random pirates that steal stuff that are of pretty much all races do to it being a fairly easy form of robbery so long as you own a boat. 



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I agree that it isn't a good PR move and will be butchered once it hits store shelves, may even be banned in some areas. They should incorporate more diversity and maybe some black protagonists even if the majority of the zombies remain black.




BengaBenga said:
Why does no one here take N'Gai serious?

I don't think he would have said this stuff if he wasn't actually offended. Besides this is not the first of these stories.
All the arguments are correct, but I personally cannot say whether shouldn't feel offended about something like this.

The argument about "We killed numerous white people as well" may sound totally logical, still white people in general have always been the opressors and have never been opressed by another race.

The Irish, Scottish, and Jews disagree off the top of my head. This myth where only black people were slaves and only they were oppressed in history really needs to stop. Every race and nationality that has ever existed has been oppressed and demeaned by some larger group at one point or another. That is just the way the world works. The faqct that we teach opression of races with such a heavy focus on only American wrong doings really depresses me. We have a lot of shitty things in our past, and they should absolutely not be forgotten but they are not special. They are par for the course sadly enough, and that should absolutely be remembered. You wanna see some really bad racism, then go to Hawaii and find where the natives like to hang out and make sure they know you are a white American. It will give you a whole new perspective.



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Well I for one find all resident evil games to be racist, and that is because i am a zombie. Why should my undead bretheren be killed on sight. I mean sure we like the taste of the brains of the living, but if you have a problem with that maybe you just need sensitivty training.

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Holy crap! give it a rest on the racism!!!!

do you know how many white people have been killed in video games?? well a lot f***ing more whites are killed then blacks.

You don't hears us complaining that a white cop got killed in Grand Theft Auto. Just cause one game kills black people doesn't make it racist. Give it a f**king break.



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Gnizmo said:
BengaBenga said:
Why does no one here take N'Gai serious?

I don't think he would have said this stuff if he wasn't actually offended. Besides this is not the first of these stories.
All the arguments are correct, but I personally cannot say whether shouldn't feel offended about something like this.

The argument about "We killed numerous white people as well" may sound totally logical, still white people in general have always been the opressors and have never been opressed by another race.

The Irish, Scottish, and Jews disagree off the top of my head. This myth where only black people were slaves and only they were oppressed in history really needs to stop. Every race and nationality that has ever existed has been oppressed and demeaned by some larger group at one point or another. That is just the way the world works. The faqct that we teach opression of races with such a heavy focus on only American wrong doings really depresses me. We have a lot of shitty things in our past, and they should absolutely not be forgotten but they are not special. They are par for the course sadly enough, and that should absolutely be remembered. You wanna see some really bad racism, then go to Hawaii and find where the natives like to hang out and make sure they know you are a white American. It will give you a whole new perspective.

Well if you know the history of Hawaii it's not too surprising.

American and Europeon buisness men did overthrow their queen partly do to US actions... then did nothing to put the queen back in power.

Then they were annexed by the US.

Also a game where you are killing nothing but jewish zombies by a german guy would likely be seen as worse.

While a British guy being sent into northern and southern ireland to kill irish zombies i bet would in fact also bring up some complaints.

Capcom has every right to make the game... and people have every right ot be offended.  No one has a right to tell other people whether they deserve to be offended or not.



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Kasz216 said:

 

Well if you know the history of Hawaii it's not too surprising.

American and Europeon buisness men did overthrow their queen partly do to US actions... then did nothing to put the queen back in power.

Then they were annexed by the US.

Also a game where you are killing nothing but jewish zombies by a german guy would likely be seen as worse.

While a British guy being sent into northern and southern ireland to kill irish zombies i bet would in fact also bring up some complaints.

Capcom has every right to make the game... and people have every right ot be offended.  No one has a right to tell other people whether they deserve to be offended or not.


Oh I am well aware of why the racism exists in Hawaii. It is just a good example of how racism exists against whites in a very real form. People are welcome to be offended by whatever they want no matter how stupid it might seem to someone with an outside perspective. My point is that there is nothing special about the oppression of blacks in American history. If you want to complain about racism in a video game you had better be able to defend it. If it is as simple as the skin color of someone you are killing then you are going to get torn apart and rightfully so. We have been slaughtering white zombies for a long as time now and putting a ban on using any other color would be far more racist than this game could ever be.

You may think I am in the wrong for passing judgment like that, but I honestly think there are clear lines where taking offense to something just becomes stupid. Should there be a huge feminist backlash against The Legend of Zelda, or Mario series of games? It has big strong men rescuing poor defensless women which can easily be interprated as sexist. Is the Final Fantasy series racist for never having a black lead character? There are very blurry lines on what is or is not considered offensive or over the line as far as the politically correct world goes. Sometimes you just have to tell people to suck it up and stop being so sensitive because it is silly to be offended by something. Whether or not this is one of those cases is up to debate, but I see it as clearly an issue that is blown out of proportion by overly sensitive people.



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so when can we finally shoot japanese? pretty please?

I mean we have done hispanics and now we can soon shoot black people. When are we in for some good "killing the japanese" fun?

Or is Capcom not considering this as it might offend Japanese people?



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Gnizmo said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Well if you know the history of Hawaii it's not too surprising.

American and Europeon buisness men did overthrow their queen partly do to US actions... then did nothing to put the queen back in power.

Then they were annexed by the US.

Also a game where you are killing nothing but jewish zombies by a german guy would likely be seen as worse.

While a British guy being sent into northern and southern ireland to kill irish zombies i bet would in fact also bring up some complaints.

Capcom has every right to make the game... and people have every right ot be offended. No one has a right to tell other people whether they deserve to be offended or not.


Oh I am well aware of why the racism exists in Hawaii. It is just a good example of how racism exists against whites in a very real form. People are welcome to be offended by whatever they want no matter how stupid it might seem to someone with an outside perspective. My point is that there is nothing special about the oppression of blacks in American history. If you want to complain about racism in a video game you had better be able to defend it. If it is as simple as the skin color of someone you are killing then you are going to get torn apart and rightfully so. We have been slaughtering white zombies for a long as time now and putting a ban on using any other color would be far more racist than this game could ever be.

You may think I am in the wrong for passing judgment like that, but I honestly think there are clear lines where taking offense to something just becomes stupid. Should there be a huge feminist backlash against The Legend of Zelda, or Mario series of games? It has big strong men rescuing poor defensless women which can easily be interprated as sexist. Is the Final Fantasy series racist for never having a black lead character? There are very blurry lines on what is or is not considered offensive or over the line as far as the politically correct world goes. Sometimes you just have to tell people to suck it up and stop being so sensitive because it is silly to be offended by something. Whether or not this is one of those cases is up to debate, but I see it as clearly an issue that is blown out of proportion by overly sensitive people.


Actualy Nintendo covered that. Both Zelda and Princess Peach have recently gotten more "liberated" so to speak with things like "Super Princess Peach" and Zelda being Sheik.

Though super Princess Peach did get it's share of complaint for peach being well... pretty stereotypical. Which is something that peserves in Smash Brothers and Mario Strikers, though once again this is offset by strong female types like Sheik and Daisy in said games.

Had Nintendo not taken such steps it's likely people would still complain.

Had it been a black guy(or asian) killing black people nobody would be offended (or much less people) and I think it's pretty telling in that case. Sometimes it makes more sense to just be aware of where people will be upset if you want to avoid that thing.

It being set in Africa doesn't even make sense and was pretty arbitrary. The Progenitor virus was supposed to be in RE4 and not Los Plagas... which i guess was used just to make it sound more "Spanishy".

Which would make you think it was supposed to originate in Europe. Instead of Africa like zombie Aids. Thing is... unlike other cases you've mentioned this isn't anything that's NEAR resolved yet either.

Thing is... it has nothing to do with slavery, and everything to do with the few hurdles we still have in racism. Things such as excessive force used on black people... etc. Lage gaps in median pay for people with similar qualifcations... all leading back to the original roots of racism and slavery. Racism against the Irish really doesn't hurt their job oppurtunites anymore.

Lets put this another way though. How would you feel if the game instead of it being all black people... it was all women? You were a guy. Going around shooting a strain of zombie virus that has only targeted women in this particular game? (For whatever reason there are no men around.)

I imagine that would cause it's own sense of outrage too. Probably even bigger then this one? Reason why there are still issues that harken back to when things were worse.  Well and for women still are in many cases around the world... and even the US.