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Mr.GameCrazy said:
eva01beserk said:

Problem is critics claim is a master piece. Most likely cuz they are afraid of being negative of a movie pushing diverse leads in this current pc climate. 

Imo, it's far from a masterpiece as the critics claim, but it's also far from being a bad Star Wars movie as some fans claim. I honestly would give it a 4 out of 5 because I enjoyed it a lot despite the flaws in it.

Dint this movie score in the 90's? if thats not near perfect then what, We have to wait till  movie is at 98?



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eva01beserk said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Imo, it's far from a masterpiece as the critics claim, but it's also far from being a bad Star Wars movie as some fans claim. I honestly would give it a 4 out of 5 because I enjoyed it a lot despite the flaws in it.

Dint this movie score in the 90's? if thats not near perfect then what, We have to wait till  movie is at 98?

In terms of the percentage of critics liking The Last Jedi, yes, but I don't know about the average score.



eva01beserk said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Imo, it's far from a masterpiece as the critics claim, but it's also far from being a bad Star Wars movie as some fans claim. I honestly would give it a 4 out of 5 because I enjoyed it a lot despite the flaws in it.

Dint this movie score in the 90's? if thats not near perfect then what, We have to wait till  movie is at 98

86 on metacritic and 8.1 on rottentomatoes (the tomatometer is at 91% but that's no the average score but the amount of critics that recomend it, which is different) so the overall opinion is that the film is very good but I don't recall reading the word masterpiece on any review. 



Goodnightmoon said:
eva01beserk said:

Dint this movie score in the 90's? if thats not near perfect then what, We have to wait till  movie is at 98

86 on metacritic and 8.1 on rottentomatoes (the tomatometer is at 91% but that's no the average score but the amount of critics that recomend it, which is different) so the overall opinion is that the film is very good but I don't recall reading the word masterpiece on any review. 

Thanks for the info.



thismeintiel said:
Domestic estimates are in. TLJ fell 26.7% WOW to $52.4M. It's DBO total is now $517. 1M. At the same time, TLJ was $742.2M, a difference of $224.5M, or 30% down.

As for WW, TLJ sits at $1.04B. At the same time, TFA sat at over $1.5B. The difference, now, is $461.2M, or 31% down.

Star Wars (EP 4) - 307 million in 1977.

Empire Strikes Back - 209 million in 1980.

a 32% decrease.

 

My point. You are comparing TLJ to the biggest movie of all time. Just like I did, but in a different timeframe.

Want to talk about performance???? How bout this. TLJ blew by Wonder Woman earlier this week and is now 100 million ahead of its final gross. 

 



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bigjon said:
thismeintiel said:
Domestic estimates are in. TLJ fell 26.7% WOW to $52.4M. It's DBO total is now $517. 1M. At the same time, TLJ was $742.2M, a difference of $224.5M, or 30% down.

As for WW, TLJ sits at $1.04B. At the same time, TFA sat at over $1.5B. The difference, now, is $461.2M, or 31% down.

Star Wars (EP 4) - 307 million in 1977.

Empire Strikes Back - 209 million in 1980.

a 32% decrease.

 

My point. You are comparing TLJ to the biggest movie of all time. Just like I did, but in a different timeframe.

Want to talk about performance???? How bout this. TLJ blew by Wonder Woman earlier this week and is now 100 million ahead of its final gross. 

 

But you take your comparison out of context, like a few before did. Star Wars initial run was longer than a year. There really was no mainstream home video at the time, as VHS released that same year. In fact, it didn't get put on VHS until 1982, 5 years later, and had a few rereleases in theater by then. One of them actually came right after ESB left theaters, which added the EP. 4 to the title. Point being, if you wanted to watch SW between 1977 and 1982, you had to watch it in theaters. When ESB hit theaters, the home video landscape had changed. Movies were being put on VHS a year or two after they hit the theaters. Films were being put on television, instead of getting umpteen theater rereleases.  TLJ doesn't have that excuse. 

And if you look on BOM, ESB actually outperformed ANH for the data we actually have on it. ESB did $145.9M in its first 13 weeks. SW did $113M.  Like I said, the movie industry just changed so much after the introduction of VHS and increased popularity of broadcasting movies on TV. 

As for Wonder Woman, of course it did, it's a freaking mainstream SW episode, the largest movie franchise in history. With the help of mass hype it opened to $450M WW. Which was only 15% down from TFA opening. Doesn't change the fact that fewer fans are going in for repeat viewings, causing that 15% to plummet to 31%. And who knows how much further it will drop in the next month.

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The way I honestly look at it is there's only three "real" Star Wars movies. IV, V, and VI.

The other six are basically just "expanded universe"/auxiliary stuff but instead of it being in the form of comics/novels they are movies.

But I don't consider them one connected saga. The stylistic differences, tone, and acting is just wildly too different.

Prequels are their own thing (IMO poor expanded universe) and the sequels are too (executed alright in a modern way, but I don't buy that Luke/Leia would let 80% of the stuff that happens to happen in the first place). Sequels to me are like hypothetical "what if" novels. Like "what if" Luke turned his back on the galaxy type of stuff. 

Neither prequel or sequel trilogy deserves to inherit the crown of the original three movies. 

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eva01beserk said:
LurkerJ said:

It would be easier for all of you to realize that every SW movie is mediocre at best, including the latest one. It's fine to enjoy them, but labeling any of them a "masterpiece" means you are biased.

If you consider the old SW movies masterpieces, it's because of nostalgia. If you consider the latest one a masterpiece, it's because you're easy to please, you also must be one of those who think the last season of Game of Thrones was any good or that marvel superhero movies are anything more than popcorn flicks.

Problem is critics claim is a master piece. Most likely cuz they are afraid of being negative of a movie pushing diverse leads in this current pc climate. 

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.



SuaveSocialist said:
LOL

A billion dollars in 17 days.
Strongest performer in 2017's Domestic Box Office.
Poised to surpass Rogue One before TLJ even gets released in China.
On pace to casually crack The Top Ten grossing movies worldwide.

All this despite plenty of competing movies aimed at the same target audience. The fans have spoken, indeed!

Hahaha This thread is quite funny now 



TLJ is now below RO in US daily, which made close to 200 million from here on globally. TLJ is at 1.05 so it might grow to ca. 1.25 billion total, which is a decrease by 35-40% compared to TFA.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=roguevforce.htm

Last edited by numberwang - on 01 January 2018