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Forums - Movies & TV - The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

hudsoniscool on 24 December 2017
Darc Requiem said:
thismeintiel said:

Again, check your facts.  Those are only the US numbers.

ROTJ made $475M WW.  ESB made $538M.

 I know those are only US numbers. I have no point of reference for how ESB was received by fans outside of the US. I know that here, ESB wasn't well received at release and the box office numbers back that up. 

I don't think the numbers back it up. A new hope and esb came out so long ago that it is forgotten what happened at the box office. Hope was in theaters for a very long time. Like a year in its initial run. Then it periodically went back into theater for year. This happened most likely because VHS didn't come out till 1977 the same year hope released. It took a while to gain footing and it was very expensive . During that time hope played and played and played in theaters. If u wanted to see it a year after release most people had to go to the theaters. This is why comparing the gross for 4 and 5 is utterly useless.



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halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

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Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017
Cobretti2 said:
thismeintiel said:

Interesting.  I don't recall the thrilling part in the OG trilogy where we had to endure a turtle vs turtle chase for 2 hrs.  One that could have ended very quickly if the huge plot hole of the Order being able to call in other ships to that location, or even being able to fly a bunch of ships straight through the rebel one, were addressed.  Sure, the OG trilogy probably has a bunch of small nitpicky ones if you go through them.  Not ones that completely ruin the movie or are that stinking big.  And this new trilogy is a continuation of the old one.  You can't just completely reset the politics of the galaxy like the OG trilogy didn't happen.  You have to explain that shit.  It doesn't get the same leeway as a new movie in a new franchise.

I wasn't referring to the turtle race. One of the main (i.e. Snoke).  So many complaints about not knowing who he is and why he just died. Yet what did we really know about the emperor in the original trilogy before he died? We learnt the back story in the prequels.

Most of the problems they find about this new movie can be found in the old ones too, but that's what happens when you elevate a movie to the category of God and attach infinite nostalgia to them. Many don't even remember the original movies had a bunch of moments of humor too and they were made for kids. Is like some remember completely different movies.



hudsoniscool on 24 December 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Darc Requiem said:

Star Wars made 307 million. ESB made 209 million. ROTJ made 253 million.

Funny how the best movie of the saga was the less succesful of the original trilogy on its main market. Fans spoke then too, they just failed miserably. That reminds me to this

Again man can't compare the box office for 4 and 5 at all. VHS didn't come out till 1977 the same year as 4 and was really expensive. It played in theaters way way longer than esb. 



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017
hudsoniscool said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Funny how the best movie of the saga was the less succesful of the original trilogy on its main market. Fans spoke then too, they just failed miserably. That reminds me to this

Again man can't compare the box office for 4 and 5 at all. VHS didn't come out till 1977 the same year as 4 and was really expensive. It played in theaters way way longer than esb. 

Yet the next episode, released when VHS was even cheaper, made substantially more money despite being the worst of the trilogy.



Cobretti2 on 24 December 2017
thismeintiel said:
Cobretti2 said:

See to me reactions like this are  like a premature ejaculation. There is one movie left and being a half glass full kind of guy I hope they answer these outrageous talents she has lol. They pretty much killed off all the original trilogy main characters so this is the time to answer that question.

Wow, are you easy to please.  It's been 2 years and almost 5 hrs worth's of film across 2 films.  Expecting answers is not premature.  And don't expect any. 

Really, there is absolutely no explanation they could give for her being so powerful with absolutely not training.  Oh, wait...she got 5 whole mins of meditation training.  Yea, she should be the most powerful person in the galaxy, now. /s

 

There is always an explanation they can give. Whether it is believable or far fetched is what will be the real question. Will they tell us anything? who knows. We can only hope at this point. 

Life is to short to get hung up about something you got no control over. Once a movie ends I walk out of the cinema with my disappointments and after that it ends for me I move on to the next.  

At the end of the day they all had their flaws and good points.

TBH I can see Disney doign lootbox style movies soon.

Pick the lootbox with the ending you want lol.



 

 

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hudsoniscool on 24 December 2017

A new hope released in may 1977. It played the entire year and made 200 million that year domestic. The only reason it made more money than Jedi and esb at the box office was because of the situation with VHS.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Aura7541 on 24 December 2017
Shadow1980 said:

Nothing major. Just an unpleaseable fanbase that's either:

A) Exaggerating over plot points and technical minutiae that can be easily explained, and often the complaints are baseless because people either weren't paying attention or they're thinking too hard about it instead of remembering the "MST3K mantra," but regardless they scream "RUINED FOREVER!" just like the 2187 previous times Star Wars was supposedly ruined forever.

B) Butthurt over it not turning out like they expected. The film does subvert a lot of what most people expected. Even I was initially taken aback by some of the curveballs, but after sitting back and thinking, it makes sense given the themes of the film. Some people simply had ideas in their head about what the film ought to do, how it ought to explain certain things or handle certain characters, and when the film didn't deliver, then came the cries of "RUINED FOREVER!" Honestly, there are several notable lines (which I won't place in context to avoid spoilers) that are meta a hell: "This is not going to end how you think," "Let the past die," and "It's salt." 

C) Being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Some people are just trolls who are riding the "I hate nuWars!" bandwagon. Some dipshits out there on the internet have claimed that they either plan on or have already tried to sabotage the movie's viewer review scores on RT and Meta.

 

I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but the level of hate TLJ gets on the internet is fucking ridiculous and totally undeserved. Rian Johnson created an enjoyable, beautifully crafted movie, and I'm going to go see it one, maybe two more times, and I'll be buying it on 4K Blu-ray when that releases.

I don't think it's a great idea to attribute much of the blame on trolls. The movie had a lot of flaws other than Rey's Kirito Syndrome and you would've helped yourself way more if you actually addressed those criticisms rather than dismissing them as mere butthurt. People with large fanbases such as Angry Joe had several problems with the movie even though they did enjoy the movie. The person I mentioned earlier, Troy Leavitt, went further than expressing his criticisms and gave his suggestions on how to make TLJ's plot better.



hudsoniscool on 24 December 2017

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=roguevforce.htm
This is a comparison to rogue one and TFA. it's pacing just above rogue one. The last few days right at rogue one levels. Monday-Thursday will be very very telling to whether it will stay just ahead of it or fall behind it. I expect it to fall just a tad behind it moving forward. Rogue one did 246 million from here on out. I got last Jedi at 240 through its run. I will give an update on a couple days when it's more clear. 240 will get it to 605 million.

I'm not sure how you can argue that as anything but a disappointment. That's lower than avatar, Jurassic world, avengers. The most telling is going back to rogue one. After first weekend that would only be 7 million more than it. Episode 8 should absolutely have more legs than rogue one. Last Jedi is a saga movie with Luke skywalker. Rogue one featured an entirely new cast and Vader wasn't even marketed. So the general audience had no clue lightsabers were even going to be in it and they already knew the ending so the movie was basically pointless. I mean TFA ended on the biggest cliffhanger in the series so last Jedi should have had good legs.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017
hudsoniscool said:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=roguevforce.htm
This is a comparison to rogue one and TFA. it's pacing just above rogue one. The last few days right at rogue one levels. Monday-Thursday will be very very telling to whether it will stay just ahead of it or fall behind it. I expect it to fall just a tad behind it moving forward. Rogue one did 246 million from here on out. I got last Jedi at 240 through its run. I will give an update on a couple days when it's more clear. 240 will get it to 605 million.

I'm not sure how you can argue that as anything but a disappointment. That's lower than avatar, Jurassic world, avengers. The most telling is going back to rogue one. After first weekend that would only be 7 million more than it. Episode 8 should absolutely have more legs than rogue one. Last Jedi is a saga movie with Luke skywalker. Rogue one featured an entirely new cast and Vader wasn't even marketed. So the general audience had no clue lightsabers were even going to be in it and they already knew the ending so the movie was basically pointless. I mean TFA ended on the biggest cliffhanger in the series so last Jedi should have had good legs.

You really suggesting the movie its some kind of huge dissapoinment cause is doing less than the most succesful movie ever? lol



Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017

When we reach a point where people suggest a movie that made 750m in 9 days (despite Xmas eve on the weekend) and is already the third highest grossing movie on USA of the whole 2017 is some kind of massive dissapointment and a failure... at that point we know we are reaching madness.