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LivingMetal on 15 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

It sold more on PC? Or doesn't PC exist in comparisons?

Still I see no relevance to the point, is something like the sales determining the quality?

LivingMetal said:
Microsoft is intentionally setting up the haters to eat crow. They already did this once with Halo way back in the day. As a preview, they had Halo displayed running at maybe 6 of 7 fps. And when the game was finally released, it was running just fine. The same thing is happening here. So now you've been warned.

So they shoot their own foot to show how good they are?

Pretty much.  It's the rabid audience that eats this stuff up and are the most vocal.  The most vocal ones are the ones who are made more to look like fools when wrong while just the opposite are vindicated for their blinded support.



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LivingMetal on 15 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
Snoopy said:
The difference is PUBG is a popular game and GTS is a shell of it's former glory.

And this is supposed to mean what?

It means that PUBG is THAT bad. 



DonFerrari on 15 December 2017
LivingMetal said:
DonFerrari said:

Still I see no relevance to the point, is something like the sales determining the quality?

So they shoot their own foot to show how good they are?

Pretty much.  It's the rabid audience that eats this stuff up and are the most vocal.  The most vocal ones are the ones who are made more to look like fools when wrong while just the opposite are vindicated for their blinded support.

Let's see how this turns out. But I really think it'll be hard that this game because pleasant to the eyes.

LivingMetal said:
DonFerrari said:

And this is supposed to mean what?

It means that PUBG is THAT bad. 

A badass



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 15 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

“You seemed to care a lot about having to set up your own race on GTS.”

Uh, no I didn’t. I laughed (mightily) at the idea that instead of a robust, traditional SP career mode with events and progression, that people could just race single races and “make up their own” career mode. And I laughed at that because it’s fucking dumb as hell. Like telling someone who wasn’t happy that SFV had no arcade story mode at launch that they could just make custom fights and write their own story.

Of course, what exactly does that have to do with PUBG or a workaround some can use if they’re experiencing frame rates that drop too low for their liking?

You see a issue with someone having to enter Arcade, select the track and type of car but doesn't see a problem with changing HDD and turning off features of the console to make a game work... you really are precious. GTS have nothing to do with PUBG, but your behavior, the one you swear is neutral.

LOL

Are you really equating toggling off DVR so you can get a better frame rate to a game launching without staple features for its genre? And here I thought we’d already hit the bottom in terms of reaching in this thread, yet you just struck gold. We’re rich!

Allow me to help you understand. PUBG is in early access. It’s a $30 title. If people want to toggle off the DVR to increase performance, good on them. It’s optional. I don’t have issues with the performance outside of the lobby of the game, where it doesn’t even matter. No, as much as you’d like it to, that doesn’t equate to the idea that I can go in and create my own events and cups and career mode using single races in order to make up for missing content in a fully released $60 title. I mean, what’s next? If a story in a game sucks, can I tell someone to just make up their own? No, because that would be dumb as hell.

 

DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

It sold more on PC? Or doesn't PC exist in comparisons?

Still I see no relevance to the point, is something like the sales determining the quality?

 

Well since you like making bad references to other threads, let me make a good one for you. In the case of GTS, you’re arguing right now in another thread that Sony doesn’t need to force any changes concerning Polyphony Digital because “the games sell”. Someone gave you some ideas on how Sony could make good changes to GT and your response was literally along the lines of “GT sells more so it must be better”.

So it would seem that yes, when it suits your argument, sales must obviously determine quality. 



DonFerrari on 15 December 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

You see a issue with someone having to enter Arcade, select the track and type of car but doesn't see a problem with changing HDD and turning off features of the console to make a game work... you really are precious. GTS have nothing to do with PUBG, but your behavior, the one you swear is neutral.

LOL

Are you really equating toggling off DVR so you can get a better frame rate to a game launching without staple features for its genre? And here I thought we’d already hit the bottom in terms of reaching in this thread, yet you just struck gold. We’re rich!

Allow me to help you understand. PUBG is in early access. It’s a $30 title. If people want to toggle off the DVR to increase performance, good on them. It’s optional. I don’t have issues with the performance outside of the lobby of the game, where it doesn’t even matter. No, as much as you’d like it to, that doesn’t equate to the idea that I can go in and create my own events and cups and career mode using single races in order to make up for missing content in a fully released $60 title. I mean, what’s next? If a story in a game sucks, can I tell someone to just make up their own? No, because that would be dumb as hell.

I'm even more surprised that you find it ok to have to solve issues on the game itself but not ok to have a game performed as advertised for over 2 years before release.

DonFerrari said:

Still I see no relevance to the point, is something like the sales determining the quality?

 

Well since you like making bad references to other threads, let me make a good one for you. In the case of GTS, you’re arguing right now in another thread that Sony doesn’t need to force any changes concerning Polyphony Digital because “the games sell”. Someone gave you some ideas on how Sony could make good changes to GT and your response was literally along the lines of “GT sells more so it must be better”.

So it would seem that yes, when it suits your argument, sales must obviously determine quality. 

You are really bad at analogies then.

I'm arguing that PD isn't subordinated to Sony in a way that Sony would demand they. They don't demand from studios directly below it like Sony Japan, ND, SSM, etc, so how exactly does it make sense to do it to PD? And I'm also arguing that why would they copy the control MS is doing on Turn 10 to improve sales (that was the point the other side was making) if their control have managed to make FM go down at every release since 3.

I never once said that GTS is better than any FM because it sell better, and you have the ludicrous audacity of say I'm the one reaching.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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LivingMetal on 15 December 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

You see a issue with someone having to enter Arcade, select the track and type of car but doesn't see a problem with changing HDD and turning off features of the console to make a game work... you really are precious. GTS have nothing to do with PUBG, but your behavior, the one you swear is neutral.

LOL

Are you really equating toggling off DVR so you can get a better frame rate to a game launching without staple features for its genre? And here I thought we’d already hit the bottom in terms of reaching in this thread, yet you just struck gold. We’re rich!

Allow me to help you understand. PUBG is in early access. It’s a $30 title. If people want to toggle off the DVR to increase performance, good on them. It’s optional. I don’t have issues with the performance outside of the lobby of the game, where it doesn’t even matter. No, as much as you’d like it to, that doesn’t equate to the idea that I can go in and create my own events and cups and career mode using single races in order to make up for missing content in a fully released $60 title. I mean, what’s next? If a story in a game sucks, can I tell someone to just make up their own? No, because that would be dumb as hell.

 

DonFerrari said:

Still I see no relevance to the point, is something like the sales determining the quality?

 

Well since you like making bad references to other threads, let me make a good one for you. In the case of GTS, you’re arguing right now in another thread that Sony doesn’t need to force any changes concerning Polyphony Digital because “the games sell”. Someone gave you some ideas on how Sony could make good changes to GT and your response was literally along the lines of “GT sells more so it must be better”.

So it would seem that yes, when it suits your argument, sales must obviously determine quality. 

Creating a false narrative to bolster a false argument.  Get over yourself.



LudicrousSpeed on 15 December 2017

Not going to derail the thread about it, but I linked the thread in your wall. No false narrative or argument here :)



d21lewis on 15 December 2017

I remember back when the O.J. Simpson verdict came in. Chris Rock said "White people too mad. Black people to happy."

That's how I feel about PUBG right now. PlayStation fans are too eager to find any negatives. Xbox fans are too eager to overlook any negatives. Somewhere in the middle is where I think we should be.



LivingMetal on 15 December 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:
Not going to derail the thread about it, but I linked the thread in your wall. No false narrative or argument here :)

That's because what you posted on my wall has no substance to your argument and is a waste of bandwidth.



LudicrousSpeed on 15 December 2017
d21lewis said:
I remember back when the O.J. Simpson verdict came in. Chris Rock said "White people too mad. Black people to happy."

That's how I feel about PUBG right now. PlayStation fans are too eager to find any negatives. Xbox fans are too eager to overlook any negatives. Somewhere in the middle is where I think we should be.

It’s got some issues, not nearly as bad as people make it out to be though.

Id be angry if it was a complete $60 title. It’s a very good early access title. People in here bitching have no idea how bad they can get.