you ignore logic again, but what ever, it's expected from you which why you were so wrong november npd. ps4 was sold out the whole holidays, because of launch demand and limited supply, it had 1 million preorders 4  months before launch, just like switch being sold out during none holidays, but the only difference is, switch launched during none holidays, get it or is that to hard understand. you want a fair comparison start comparing WW numbers since September 2014 vs switch 2017.  

Moving the goalposts again huh? Even though you have been shown FACTS and even graphs showing you the truth. Just like this article. You really cannot stand the fact that your precious widdle PS4 can possibly be challenged by any company having the audacity  to even try! You have been shown graphs proving to you the benefits of a Holiday launch you have had it pointed out to you countless time that console manufacturers supply many more consoles during a seasonal launch, yet you continue to deny both facts and graphs even when they are continually drummed into you, just  because it doesn't fit into your "criteria". Well, your criteria isn't fact based in the slightest! There is really no hope for you tbh. This is actually getting a bit like the Wii/Ps3 days, when we had some priceless threads! The only difference is that the many that were shamed, stayed shamed and many haven't shown their faces here since. This time it seems like it's you and perhaps only a couple of others who continue with their self-inflicted state of delusion and try and massage the facts so they can then massage their own ego. It's the only explanation i can think of that makes you continue. Either that or you are an alt from the Wii/PS3 days. That would actually make some sense too in this case.

err those  graphs are point less. all you have to do is compare march launches shipment numbers to holiday launches shipments and see how close they are, now compare none launch sales for say march, april, to november and december, and the difference is gigantic.

Again, pointless only in your eyes. Whilst there may be a few anomalies on the way ,launch aligned is the ONLY way to compare consoles, especially in retrospect, hence why they are used so frequently. Now i know you don't use logic to any degree in here but perhaps we could do a graph especially cherrypicked for you on here, 1 that would of course meet with your agenda, one which only you would see any fairness or logic in. Provided it "proved" your nonexistent point though and of course fitted your criteria.

Considering the Switch "seems" to be on a similar sales trajectory to the PS4, i guess i can have a bash at a prediction. Counting out the N64, GC and Wii u as these weren't on the same trajectory at all, i can only use the Wii and 3/DS as historical sales barometers. From this standpoint it appears Nintendo consoles peak higher but fall faster than Sony consoles. Using a hc trajectory i can see the Switch outselling the PS4 for a period but then dropping faster. So, in short i would predict Switch doing 85-115m sales LT but with the PS4, longevity would probably ensure sales of at least 125m, top end possibly even 150m. Of course it's early days and there could be so many variables. Switch could follow a path closer to the DS and reach 150m LT but i think that's unlikely. Nintendo do appear to support HH's longer but even then, they don't hesitate to pull the plug when they feel it's no longer financially viable. I know, to some this seems too early. Anyway, this is an extremely early prediction and i know so many things can change but one thing i think is pretty clear is that the Switch will have no problem overtaking the 3DS LT comfortably.

Yes I expected 110M area as well. But I agree that considering this year 130M isn't impossible (still unlikely). But it's great how our perspective changes.

WiiU expected to be a sucess, X1 to dominate and PS4 to die fast. Then Switch to do bad, PS4 to win and X1 to have less than 70% of X360 sales. And now Switch to be massive sucess and PS4 to approach PS2.

Yep, that was the normal consensus, and since first 2 years of X1 was resonably so if it done around 60-70M PS4 could get to 100-120M at most... but perhaps the mid gen can help the X1+PS4 to increase over the previous combos.

I remember the days that anyone remotely thinking PS4 could reach PS2 numbers were called crazy here... but this year a lot of people are thinking the realm of PS2 (130+M) is possible.

It could be perfectly possible that both PS4 and Switch easily clear 100m consoles sold and in some ways it would put some of the arguments to bed. We  can all agree they both did great but unfortunately that won't happen for years!

But again 130m+ and 155m+ is not same, PS4 is at around 70m after full 4 years on market, hardly can sell 80m+ in next 4 years.

Will take time for Switch to be 100M, but next year we will have a better view of how likely is it to happen.

Sure 130 and 155M isn't the same. But 3 years ago even 100M was hardly accepted as a LT to PS4.

I disagree, PS3 is around 85m and PS4 from start was selling much better than PS3 and actually had of one best start ever, so 100m was very fast accepted.

You were new here, but were already here at the time.

On the months leading to PS4 release there were a lot of predictors here saying WiiU would outsell Wii and that PS4 would be obliterated by X1...