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Forums - Sales - November 2017 NPD Thread! PS4 > XBO > Switch

Ariakon on 11 December 2017
Shadow1980 said:
zorg1000 said:
zorg1000 said: 
quickrick said: 

i said for all we know, i think it's possible. i'm pretty sure 2018 it won't sell as much as 2017 in US, and europe. 3ds peaked it's first year.

There is a massive difference between peak and fall off a cliff.

3DS sales dropped from 13.95 to 13.51, which is like a 3% drop, hardly falling off a cliff.

yea falling off a cliff is unlikely, but slowing down in us and europe is very likely, but japan will make up for it.


Heres the post, you agreed that it wont fall off a cliff but will drop somewhat in the west which will be cancelled out by Japan.

What part of that post was him and which was you? I'm really confused by the lack of quote boxes.

jason1637 said:

Do you have a chart for the best Novembers for the console market?

As a matter of fact I do:


As we can see, the list is utterly dominated by the Wii, 360, PS4, & XBO. The only other system to show in the list was the PS2 and PS1, with its 1.3M sold in Nov. 2002 ranking at #5 and it's second-best November being all the way down at #15, with the PS1's best November placing #14. The 360 takes the #2, #4, and #9 positions for 2011, 2010, and 2012, respectively.

Not only does this show how freakishly popular the Wii was, it also shows how important November has become in recent years for PlayStation & Xbox. Prior to 2011, November was a much smaller portion of overall Q4 sales for the two brands. 2011 was when we really started to see aggressive Black Friday promotions, notably the temporary price cuts that are now the norm. While it's hard to say if November's growing importance has come at the expense of December, there's no doubt that November has been on the rise.

I do think it has. Last year was a bit of an aberration, I think, as the XB and PS4 only dropped $50 and generally had stronger sale prices throughout December, as the two of them seemed to be trying to make up a little lost ground from their relatively staid BF sales. This year, the XB had the X launch and the $189 bundle, but even before that, most bundles were $249 with a free game for the two weeks between COD's and SW's releases. PS4's $199 sale was a massive price cut and it doesn't seem they are going to match this month, more likely they are going to drop $50 off all the 1tb bundles sometime this week or Sunday, as Target's website already posted this morning and then took down this afternoon. It would not surprise me if both of those systems experience a decline in December and the Switch experiences an impressive increase. 



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VGPolyglot on 11 December 2017
Shadow1980 said:
VGPolyglot said:

What was November 2013 for XB1 and PS4?

While zorg redirected you to the NPD thread archive, I thought I'd still put those months in a visual context for you. Since they're launch months, here they are compared to other launch months:

Thanks =) Man, these numbers seem to show that sales becoming more front-loaded.



Farsala on 11 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Shadow1980 said:

While zorg redirected you to the NPD thread archive, I thought I'd still put those months in a visual context for you. Since they're launch months, here they are compared to other launch months:

Thanks =) Man, these numbers seem to show that sales becoming more front-loaded.

I wouldn't say that necessarily. The PS4 has had a better year, every year. It might suggest that for XB, but they are just becoming more and more holiday reliant in the US due to PS4's dominance in the other months. It is a guessing game for Switch, as it had strong months until now with a solid but not super strong November in comparison.



Playstation_awaiter on 11 December 2017

If Sony has no deals for Dec, then it confirms they only wanted to win Nov NPD since winning on Xbox X launch is a huge or win for them.



JSG87 on 11 December 2017

I've seen enough of this to just say that all these people saying that Switch Interest is declining because it lost November is absolute BS. Sure Switch is my preferred platform but I'm glad all three did well.

It's totally clear to me that losing November is because of the Switch's price. Once Nintendo hit that sweet spot of sold shipped consoles to retailers, whatever that may be, they will lower the price. Next November they will most likely cut the price for BF too.

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quickrick on 11 December 2017
JSG87 said:

I've seen enough of this to just say that all these people saying that Switch Interest is declining because it lost November is absolute BS. Sure Switch is my preferred platform but I'm glad all three did well.

It's totally clear to me that losing November is because of the Switch's price. Once Nintendo hit that sweet spot of sold shipped consoles to retailers, whatever that may be, they will lower the price. Next November they will most likely cut the price for BF too.

it not because it lost november, but because got destroyed being outsold 2:1.



Kai_Mao on 11 December 2017
quickrick said:
JSG87 said:

I've seen enough of this to just say that all these people saying that Switch Interest is declining because it lost November is absolute BS. Sure Switch is my preferred platform but I'm glad all three did well.

It's totally clear to me that losing November is because of the Switch's price. Once Nintendo hit that sweet spot of sold shipped consoles to retailers, whatever that may be, they will lower the price. Next November they will most likely cut the price for BF too.

it not because it lost november, but because got destroyed being outsold 2:1.

But thats more on the PS4 than the Switch. $199 1TB PS4 plus whatever is included is a great deal for the console, especially with the library it has already established. 



PortisheadBiscuit on 11 December 2017
quickrick said:
JSG87 said:

I've seen enough of this to just say that all these people saying that Switch Interest is declining because it lost November is absolute BS. Sure Switch is my preferred platform but I'm glad all three did well.

It's totally clear to me that losing November is because of the Switch's price. Once Nintendo hit that sweet spot of sold shipped consoles to retailers, whatever that may be, they will lower the price. Next November they will most likely cut the price for BF too.

it not because it lost november, but because got destroyed being outsold 2:1.

Outsold, or outdiscounted? 



quickrick on 11 December 2017
PortisheadBiscuit said:
quickrick said:

it not because it lost november, but because got destroyed being outsold 2:1.

Outsold, or outdiscounted? 

These consoles are 4 years old, and only 100$ less. look at 3ds, wii U and gamecube, price didn't maKe them sell 1.6 million in November.



Kai_Mao on 11 December 2017
quickrick said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Outsold, or outdiscounted? 

These consoles are 4 years old, and only 100$ less. look at 3ds, wii U and gamecube, price didn't maKe them sell 1.6 million in November.

Shadow1980 already talked about how Nintendo does better in December compared to November. 3DS already had the price cut around the Fall of its first year. The Wii U didn’t really have an attractive price cut and was still not as well known among the public. The GameCube, I’m not sure since I wasn’t aware of the sales and trends during that time.

$199 is still a great deal, old or not.