The back pay isn't a cost but it's to show that you aren't saving money either.

As for shutdown and restart up costs, that's huge.  Imagine you had a $4 trillion company and within 2 weeks had to prepare for a shut down and 2 weeks later had to spin it all back up again.  Granted, not everything shuts down, but you get my point.  The overtime, extra processing, expeditions, etc...add up to a lot.  And the shutting down of national parks is no small dollar. And the costs of bringing everything back up again.

https://www.newsweek.com/heres-how-much-government-shutdown-could-cost-786073

"The last shut down caused 800,000 federal employees to be placed on furlough and many more employees were late on receiving their paychecks. Those furloughed federal employees then spent less and their shopping dropped by 7 percent.

During that time, the Office of Management and Budget estimated that the shutdown cost Americans $2 billion in lost productivity. The shutdown also impacted tourism by forcing National Parks to close, costing $500 million in lost revenue, according to Fortune. 

The government shutdown this year could impede defense department contracts leading to an increase in weapons costs, according to Reuters."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42779948

"In 2013, the combination of indirect and direct costs amounted to as much as 0.6% of quarterly GDP or $24bn, according to some analyses."

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/21/579584199/the-economic-impact-of-a-government-shutdown

"The economists who add this up say it works out to about $2 billion a day in lost output to the economy every day the shutdown persists."

Just Google it.  Even Fox News will tell you they cost more money to shutdown than to keep operating.  Still sound like bullshit?

No republicans always get blamed for shutdowns. Obama did the same thing trump said he would do and it was the republicans fault. Now it’s trumps fault. My point is that it’s nobodys fault. When the branches are at odds it shuts down, that’s the American system. It’s not dumb. McConnell like the spineless hack he is, is waiting until after the midterms to hold the vote. He is scared, he’s a typical RINO pushover. Say good things during the election and then reverse rule in DC. Trump is trying call out these people before the midterms, he said let’s have the vote now and let the people know which pussy republicans we need to replace. I think that’s great, he’s not as dumb as you think he is. The Republican Party needs a kick in its ass and a steel beam to support their jelly backs.

He won the states. If all of the illegal aliens were contained in NY and California then your popular vote point would be relevant. He does have the support. I think it’s fairly obvious with his approval numbers. Since when did the losing half of the country get consessions? Half of the country and not a single republican voted for Obamacare yet here we are. How is that any different?

He isn’t not going to get any votes from democrats regardless. They haven’t won yet, he doesn’t have to do anything. He needs to be more worried about the do-nothing republicans.

Im not reaching, it’s obvious. 26 states sued Obama because he was bussing in immigrants to there states and dumping them there. Did you just ignore the border crisis that happened? Did you ignore all of the obnoxious shit Trump was saying during the primary? How he mopped the floor with pro amnesty people like Jen bush? He ran on borders and he won because he was the only one addressing the border. Immigration, economy and SCOTUS picks are why he won the presidency. There aren’t enough “trump can do no wrong” fanatics to get him elected. I don’t have any stats other than polls but I think it’s  fairly obvious what people mean about immigration. You have a border or you don’t, you protect the border or you don’t. Trump won with divisive rhetoric, it’s not reaching. Obama didn’t protect the border ops of course they loved him.

Its Dumb to go on Twitter and demand that Dems give him what he wants or he will shutdown the government.  You keep talking about the Republican party but its not the Republican party he is making his demands to its the Dems.  Actually, I cannot even follow your argument because no where is the President throwing any Republican under the bus for his wall.  So you are saying this is some grand scheme by Trump to put pressure on McConnell to fund his wall when they already have a bill to do so.  

He doesn't cower in the corner like Mcconnell. Talk big during elections and then do nothing. He was not making demands of the democrats. They are only loudmouth jerks at this point, powerless. He was talking to the people in charge, the people that send the bills to his desk. The republicans in congress need to do the negotiating. He was saying that if it's not in the bill he will keep vetoing it, essentially. If the republicans don't cave like they do to democrats then he will allow the shutdown. I think he has walked it back some because the cowards he likes were begging for cover during the midterm. Let's flip the coin though right? Lets vote on it. Let's get people engaged on the top priority of our country before our midterm. Let's see what the vast majority looks like.

Maybe, it's dumb to go on twitter in general. How many careers have ended because somebody said some dumb shit when they were fucked up? Like the guardians of the galaxy director getting fired for 10 year old tweets or whatever.  The actors just signed a public note telling people to get a fucking life essentially. Culture twitter politics is Trumps battlegrounds, for better or worse. He slings shit with the trolls. That's why they shadow ban him and try to sue him because he blocked people on his personal account. People have been trying to eat him since the beginning and he's mopping the floor with them. It's why they are so outraged, he's immune to their bullshit. It doesn't work on him. That's the humor in it to me.

It's dumb to believe that this will motivate the Dems to do anything when the political risk for them is negligible at best.  You still have not given one point where this is a good thing for Trump.  How is a government shutdown going to move any Dems to fund his wall.  Why would they even budge if there is no political risk for them and if anything might end up being a win.  So if the Dems come out on top of this whole ploy are you telling me that this was the grand plan Trump envisioned and suddenly everything he wants to pass will come to fruition with a Congress more blue then red.  If this is what you are saying then I am more than willing to see how this plays out and proven wrong that Trump is smarter than my view of him.

It's dumb trying to find a reason to motivate democrats. Trump might be running again. "Hey I tried to fix it, your congress sucks." He could do some executive orders but the next democrat will just wipe it out. It's not substantial. A government shutdown won't move any dems to funding, the dems are hoping for a shutdown because they generally win public appeal during these things. It's not 2013, the landscape is much different. I'm not saying that at all. That is nothing close to what i'm saying. The dems can kick rocks for all I care.
 

Yes, Trump won the states, lets see how that shakes out during the midterms.  You act as if that win currently is the same good feelings still present today.  I personally have no clue so will claim nothing at this point but one thing is for sure, there is still a large divide in people opinion of him.

I know anywhere he goes the rallies are flooded out the door. His popularity has not changed for worse since he got elected. I don't think the divide is as big as you think it is. Some border states forgo their responsibility and it affects everyone.
 

Your third paragraph doesn't make sense with your previous arguments.  If he doesn't need the Dems then why cry wolf talking about a shutdown if they do not support his wall.  Evidently he does need the Dems or we would not even be having this conversation. If he nuke the Republican party and they lose seats how exactly will that help his cause.  I am truly not understanding your logic on this one.

If they republican party loses a seat on this issue then they deserve it. In my opinion this is the most certain way to win.

You are right, that Trump won the Republican primary and killed it and he definitely won over Hillary but then again it was Hillary.  Obama won over her and I am sure Bernie probably would have as well if he toned the socialistic aspect of his platform a tad and wasn't obstructed by the DNC.  Not sure who will be there for the Dems when we get to go through this all again but it should be interesting to see if your border issue is as you predict.

The super delegate system in the democratic party is a joke, their votes are worthless. Not that it matters they are all a carbon copy of each other. Trump would have smoked Bernie even worse than Clinton imo. Clinton at least pretended to be a free trader, she was still fooling the grey democrats.

You said you didn't read the links and your response further shows it.  Please, read them.  Takes a few minutes and you'll fully understand.   A quick point, the $2 billion is not back pay to furloughed government employees.  Just....read them.

So you read the reports from the Joint Economic Committee, the Office of Management and Budget and saw the associated reports from Standard and Poor's, Goldman Sachs and Moody's....and you're just going to call them liars?

Also, GDP growth during the quarter for the 2013 shutdown was 3.9%.  But that's completely irrelevant because..."the Joint Economic Committee said the combination of indirect and direct costs amounted to as much as 0.6% of quarterly GDP or $24 billion" for the 2013 shutdown.

I think you are confusing annual GDP growth with quarterly growth.  This 4.1% Trump figure you keep reading about it a quarterly figure, not annual.  And yes, the economy did growth at 3.9% in Q4 of 2013.  In fact, the economy hit over 4% four times under Obama.  5.1% Q2 2014, 4.9% Q3 2014, 4.7% Q4 2011 and 4.5% Q4 2009.