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DonFerrari said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I totally agree. Scalpers are thieves in the sense that they make a price go artificially up but add no value whatsoever to the product they sell. There is no good reason for a scalper to sell a product at the price they do. Not only there is no good reason but knowing that those despicable creatures actually go out of their way to try and get all copies of a product specifically to make sure you cannot buy it at normal price so that you are almost forced to pay whatever they ask cause you sometimes have no other choice, should be criminal and I mean that in the legal sense. They should go to jail.

By principle I would never ever buy from a scalper, even if I want something bad, I'll keep looking for it at normal price elsewhere and if I don't find it, I simply give up and don't buy it, cause feeding scalpers is making the problem worse. Unfortunately a lot of people fall for those parasites, feed them and make it worse for everybody including themselves.

No need to make it unlawfull in a free market... it isn't like the supplier can't produce more.

Law of supply and demand... if Nintendo produces more then the scalpers won't be able to charge extra.

A free market is only good for a society if everyone plays nice. If they don't, then the only people who benefit are the people ripping everyone off and screwing people over. So, the argument that a free market which is 100% unchecked is somehow a "good" thing, is up for debate. 



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AlfredoTurkey said:
DonFerrari said:

No need to make it unlawfull in a free market... it isn't like the supplier can't produce more.

Law of supply and demand... if Nintendo produces more then the scalpers won't be able to charge extra.

A free market is only good for a society if everyone plays nice. If they don't, then the only people who benefit are the people ripping everyone off and screwing people over. So, the argument that a free market which is 100% unchecked is somehow a "good" thing, is up for debate. 

And making a rule to limit the numbers anyone can buy a product so there isn't any scalper is  good because?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

A free market is only good for a society if everyone plays nice. If they don't, then the only people who benefit are the people ripping everyone off and screwing people over. So, the argument that a free market which is 100% unchecked is somehow a "good" thing, is up for debate. 

And making a rule to limit the numbers anyone can buy a product so there isn't any scalper is  good because?

It's good because it places the power in the hands of the people and companies who actually make and sell those goods and allows them to set the price. Ideally, that's how it should work.



Ka-pi96 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

It's good because it places the power in the hands of the people and companies who actually make and sell those goods and allows them to set the price. Ideally, that's how it should work.

But that would be to the detriment of those making and selling the goods. If allowing people to buy as many as they want means the product sells out while only allowing 1 per person doesn't result in them all being sold out... they're clearly better off letting people buy as many as they want.

Are you suggesting that people wouldn't buy SNES Classic consoles at $79.99? We both know they'd completely sell out anyway. The only difference is that the only people getting them would be people who actually want them and not parasites, looking to make a buck off desperate parents/people.



I remember that photo of a woman with an SUV back cargo area loaded with WiiU consoles she was going to try and flip, expecting the WiiU launch to be crazy like the Wii.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
DonFerrari said:

And making a rule to limit the numbers anyone can buy a product so there isn't any scalper is  good because?

It's good because it places the power in the hands of the people and companies who actually make and sell those goods and allows them to set the price. Ideally, that's how it should work.

It's bad. The sole fault for scalpers existing are on the supplier and people that accept to pay more for it. So there is zero need for a law on this.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

you can't confuse the value with pricetag. If someone pays 200 for a item that have a 50usd pricetag he values the item for 200 or more and that is why he bought it.

No product value is the sum of the cost of its parts.

Compare scalping to robbery is a very hard reach.

The fault for the existence of scalpers is both supplier that doesn't do their job estimating demand and want their product to look on high demand and enable scalpers to buy and also people that can't keep their desire checked and buy from scalpers.

As much as a company have a right to produce how much they want, anyone have the right to buy it.

True that suppliers that don't do their job for whatever reason have a responsibility in the crime of scalping but just as a law broken for whatever reason means criminality in general can go higher does not mean that criminals aren't the first ones to be blamed for their crimes cause they definitely are.

As for the demand, it is the prime motivator for a scalper to commit his/her crime. And the price something is sold at is supposed to reflect the value of the product and a higher price is only justified by an added value, for example if you buy a pizza in a store for you to cook it should be fairly cheap, if you call Domino Pizza cause you want them to bring you a pizza that is hot and ready to eat, they add value by cooking the pizza and bringing it to you so it is fair that they ask a higher price than what you'd pay that pizza in a store, but scalpers don't add any value, they short-circuit the market by obtaining as many copies of a product as possible so that they can artificially increase the price but they add no value whatsoever to the product. The buyer cannot say, your price is too high so I'll just go to a store and buy the product there at normal price because the scalper made sure there are NO units left in stores so as to make the buyer have no choice if they want the product. It's plain wrong and should definitely be criminalized.

And it's weird that you don't realize that.



Ka-pi96 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I totally agree. Scalpers are thieves in the sense that they make a price go artificially up but add no value whatsoever to the product they sell. There is no good reason for a scalper to sell a product at the price they do. Not only there is no good reason but knowing that those despicable creatures actually go out of their way to try and get all copies of a product specifically to make sure you cannot buy it at normal price so that you are almost forced to pay whatever they ask cause you sometimes have no other choice, should be criminal and I mean that in the legal sense. They should go to jail.

By principle I would never ever buy from a scalper, even if I want something bad, I'll keep looking for it at normal price elsewhere and if I don't find it, I simply give up and don't buy it, cause feeding scalpers is making the problem worse. Unfortunately a lot of people fall for those parasites, feed them and make it worse for everybody including themselves.

They should go to jail? Profiting off of other peoples impatience is perfectly acceptable to me. Companies do it all the time, so why can't regular people make some money off of it too? Or do you think things like paying extra for faster delivery or paying for priority seats etc should be illegal as well?

Faster delivery is an added value, priority seats is an added value. Scalpers don't add any value to the product, they make sure no units are left in stores so that people have no other choice than to buy from them.

In other words, scalpers are parasites that don't add extra value but still increase the price for no reason. They're thieves abusing a flaw in the system. Profiting off someone's impatience in and of itself is predatory but not enough to warrant jail in my opinion but when you create on purpose such a situation as scalpers do then yes it deserves jail. They don't profit off a situation that was there, they MADE the product unavailable by buying all the copies and thus create a situation that did not need to exist in the first place.



Ka-pi96 said:

hmm, Amazon's regular delivery is 3-5 days, everyone else does it in 1-2 days. Sounds to me like they're purposely creating a situation where people are more likely to pay for faster delivery and preying on peoples impatience the exact same way scalpers do. Do you have a problem with that too?

No because at the end of the day I don't have to pay more, whereas with a scalper you cannot say: Don't send me the product tomorrow, send it in 3-5 days in exchange of selling me the product at no extra cost.

Good luck getting that deal from a scalper.

That is not to say that Amazon cannot be criticized for their practices. But the way you are trying to vindicate scalpers with something way less serious as waiting 5 days from Amazon, sounds to me like you really want to make me believe scalpers are alright.



Ka-pi96 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

No because at the end of the day I don't have to pay more, whereas with a scalper you cannot say: Don't send me the product tomorrow, send it in 3-5 days in exchange of selling me the product at no extra cost.

Well good luck getting that deal from a scalper.

That is not to say that Amazon cannot be criticized for their practices. But the way you are trying to vindicate scalpers with something way less serious as waiting 5 days from Amazon, sounds to me like you really want to make me believe scalpers are alright.

You could quite easily say to scalpers "don't send me the product at all, I'll wait until the stores restock". Nobody is forcing people to pay those inflated prices. Just like they're not force to pay for express shipping on Amazon or other internet retailers.

The difference being, the scalper will try and get all units of that product when the stores restock so as to precisely prevent you from having any other choice. Because if a product is not rare and if you can find it elsewhere at the normal price, the scalper's fraudulent business model disappears. It is by essence how this works, you cannot get the product elsewhere, if you can then there is no scalping...

Personally even if I really want something and it's not available elsewhere, I simply give up cause I'll cut my throat open long before I agree to pay a scalper, but that's just me. The world is full of impatient idiots that will pay anything. I have seen the NES mini sold for thousands of dollars by scalpers when the store price is 60 dollars. Humans are very stupid and scalpers should be stopped by the law. Just as hard drugs are illegal cause people are too stupid to realize when they buy and take those drugs that it will destroy their body and health so drugs had to be made illegal. Same idea with scalpers, in my opinion of course.